View Poll Results: Was America better off in 1985, or are we better off today in 2015?

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  • 1985 was better overall

    31 14.09%
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    189 85.91%
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't see what that has to do with neoliberalism or laizzare faire economics. The underlining policies haven't really changed and the ideology behind them is more or less the same. The country is just further along the road then it was in the 1970's. That's pretty much it. Sure, you might get me on one regulation or another that was repealed, but with that said, we are more regulated today than the 1970's, the 1980's, the 1990's, or the 00's. It's silly to blame the economy on deregulation. It's shear gibberish to blame the economy on laizzare faire economics.
    Manufacturing shifted because China opened up. This shift really began in the 1970's with Nixon.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Yes, Reagan is much better than Obama..... score one for 1985.
    In many ways we have regressed, Obama is one of those ways.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    In many ways we have regressed, Obama is one of those ways.
    Yes, the contrast is quite stark. Reagan was a strong leader who united Americans and got the most out of the country. He was respected overseas, and effectively communicated his strategy with the public and with the politicians with whom he worked.

    Obama kicked off his presidency with an apology tour, and has been apologizing ever since. He is the black Jimmy Carter. Full of negativity and self-doubt. Not the stuff leaders are made of.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't see what that has to do with neoliberalism or laizzare faire economics. The underlining policies haven't really changed and the ideology behind them is more or less the same. The country is just further along the road then it was in the 1970's. That's pretty much it. Sure, you might get me on one regulation or another that was repealed, but with that said, we are more regulated today than the 1970's, the 1980's, the 1990's, or the 00's. It's silly to blame the economy on deregulation.
    Plenty has changed in that time period starting with the big push to privatize all things public. This continues along with trade agreements that favor protecting investors and the free flow of capital while dismantling protection that come with building a riskier economy for eveyone else. Debt piles up and people are left to fend for themselves when the economy turns bad. Those most vulnerable are the young and old.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Plenty has changed in that time period starting with the big push to privatize all things public.
    Give me a list of things privatized v. things made public. Lets see which one comes out on top.

    This continues along with trade agreements that favor protecting investors and the free flow of capital while dismantling protection that come with building a riskier economy for eveyone else. Debt piles up and people are left to fend for themselves when the economy turns bad. Those most vulnerable are the young and old.
    What kind of protection are we are talking about here?

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Pretty simple question for discussion: Is the United States better off today, or were we better off 30 years ago in 1985?

    There are a number of angles you can approach this from, and I'll leave it up to you to decide what's important to you.


    Which era was a better time to be an American?
    Culturally? Geo-politically? Economically? In which era were people more optimistic about the future?
    Great OP- Everyone looks at then and now in differing ways. The variety of views is wide ranging. I assume that is what you were looking for?
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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I see you edited. It's not made up. Our economy has changed dramatically since the 70s (not made up). We use to make most of our money from producing things. Now most of our economy is made from the financialization of the economy. More people are in debt today due to such a shift. Wages may not have kept up, but being able to fiancé is much easier. That helped to create a house of cards. As our economy has become more risky, so has the shift of individual risk as mentioned like retirements etc...
    Yes, the economy of today is about pretending you have an income you don't really have. Baby boomers are to blame.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Terminator 1 was released in 1985:







    Terminator Genysis will be released in 2015




    Yeah, he wasn't kidding about being back, was he.

    Score #2 for 1985...

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Give me a list of things privatized v. things made public. Lets see which one comes out on top.



    What kind of protection are we are talking about here?
    We've privatized plenty including such things as prisons, our military, even local municipalities are being sold off to the highest bidder. Things currently pushed to be privatized are our public schools, and postal service.

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    Re: 1985 vs 2015

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Give me a list of things privatized v. things made public. Lets see which one comes out on top. ...
    Profits for large banks and auto makers (etc) v. losses for those companies which were absorbed by the tax payer.
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