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Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

Is Scott Walkers lack of a degree an issue

  • Yes, I dont take orders from some quitter

    Votes: 13 21.0%
  • No, he has enough real world experience to do the job

    Votes: 43 69.4%
  • Somewhat, I would like to see him finish.

    Votes: 6 9.7%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
You're quite uninformed opinion about me is both compliment and insult. :) But thanks for the compliment part I guess.

But what does it profit us to take a middle-of-the-road position between right and wrong? Between profitable and detrimental? Between reality and falseness? How is it extreme to want to elect a President with proven track record for success? When it is obvious that electing an unqualified Barack Obama has created far more problems for the country than anything good that has happened during his administration? When a Hillary Clinton has just as dismal a track record and absolutely no significant successes in anything to show on her resume? When an Elizabeth Warren is pretty much a carbon copy of he existing President in wanting to expand powers of government? When Joe Biden is Joe Biden?

Given his already impressive track record, which of these would be more likely to do a credible job in Washington than Scott Walker would likely do?

But how easy will it be for the Democrats and a left leaning media be to make him look unqualified or unsuitable because he doesn't have a college degree?
Not an insult at all, just an observation. There is a difference. If you take it as an insult, that's probably more telling than you want to admit.

Anyway, I've also been on record in this thread that the whole lack of a degree thing is a non-issue, and have stated clearly that track record is much more relevant. College simply isn't for everybody. College is also zero guarantee that a person is competent and capable.
 
You're quite uninformed opinion about me is both compliment and insult. :) But thanks for the compliment part I guess.

But what does it profit us to take a middle-of-the-road position between right and wrong? Between profitable and detrimental? Between reality and falseness? How is it extreme to want to elect a President with proven track record for success? When it is obvious that electing an unqualified Barack Obama has created far more problems for the country than anything good that has happened during his administration? When a Hillary Clinton has just as dismal a track record and absolutely no significant successes in anything to show on her resume? When an Elizabeth Warren is pretty much a carbon copy of he existing President in wanting to expand powers of government? When Joe Biden is Joe Biden?

Given his already impressive track record, which of these would be more likely to do a credible job in Washington than Scott Walker would likely do?

But how easy will it be for the Democrats and a left leaning media be to make him look unqualified or unsuitable because he doesn't have a college degree?


can you give some quantified metrics that you think illustrate Walker's exemplary track record?
 
can you give some quantified metrics that you think illustrate Walker's exemplary track record?

He's won how many elections by the voters in Wisconsin? That's about all the quantified metrics anyone without a bias and agenda needs to know.
 
He's won how many elections by the voters in Wisconsin? That's about all the quantified metrics anyone without a bias and agenda needs to know.

well, so has Obama if that's your metric for determining someone's track record and qualifications for on the job success.
 
well, so has Obama if that's your metric for determining someone's track record and qualifications for on the job success.

I thought the question was about Governor Walker and Wisconsin. Election to National office like the President is a whole different metric. Or did you not know that?
 
I thought the question was about Governor Walker and Wisconsin. Election to National office like the President is a whole different metric. Or did you not know that?

If you RE-READ the comment I quoted and replied to, it was that Walker is more qualified for POTUS than Obama. You chose to interject your metric on why he's qualified (being re-elected {and only at a state level, to boot!} ). Sorry you didn't think it through.

Want to step back and try again?
 
How does "quantified metrics" jive with the fact that politics is mostly subjective?


Well, I didn't write this
" How is it extreme to want to elect a President with proven track record for success? When it is obvious that electing an unqualified Barack Obama has created far more problems for the country than anything good that has happened during his administration?"

But it seems things like gdp growth, changing deficits, job growth, employment, etc can all be used to evaluate someone's "track record", and can be quantified.
 
If you RE-READ the comment I quoted and replied to, it was that Walker is more qualified for POTUS than Obama. You chose to interject your metric on why he's qualified (being re-elected {and only at a state level, to boot!} ). Sorry you didn't think it through.

Want to step back and try again?

No. I'll just stick with your comment, and my reply. You're welcome to ignore it.
 
Well, I didn't write this
" How is it extreme to want to elect a President with proven track record for success? When it is obvious that electing an unqualified Barack Obama has created far more problems for the country than anything good that has happened during his administration?"

But it seems things like gdp growth, changing deficits, job growth, employment, etc can all be used to evaluate someone's "track record", and can be quantified.

I don't see any of that as being any less subjective. Even things like the stuff you mentioned: Are they a direct result of a President's specific actions, or are they more or less independent and cyclicle (sp?) with whoever the sitting President is getting the blame and/or credit accordingly, even though they may not deserve either?
 
I don't see any of that as being any less subjective. Even things like the stuff you mentioned: Are they a direct result of a President's specific actions, or are they more or less independent and cyclicle (sp?) with whoever the sitting President is getting the blame and/or credit accordingly, even though they may not deserve either?

Sometimes they are (or can be) largely if not exclusively the result of a president (governor)'s actions or policy agendas.
 
Welp, there ya go. The bolded and red text in your post points out the possible. I would say that Walker might well be a person who fits into that category of being educated. Disclaimer: I'm in no way implying Walker's intelligence is equal to, more than, less than Washington or Lincoln. Merely pointing out he's an educated person without an official college credential.

Obviously the following folks didn't have an official college credential, but were, in their own right, educated:

Michael Dell, the founder and CEO of Dell, Inc., dropped out of college at 19.

Henry Ford never graduated high school.

Bill Gates, a college dropout after attending 2 years.

John D. Rockefeller Sr., a high school dropout, became the first American billionaire.

Steven Spielberg briefly attended State University in Long Beach, CA.

Mark Zuckerberg dropped out in his sophomore year of college.

So in essences, especially in our society today, yes, the value of a lot of types of non-technical, non-medical degrees are often based on social perception rather than concrete education.

And obviously, the world has become more complex, more technical. There is the necessity of creating institutions charged with creating standards of practice within certain professional disciplines. Those institution must ensure that all who chooses to engage in the public practice of a respective discipline is competent and skilled enough to participate in the profession. Those institutions are also charge with the responsibility to policing all practicing members.

Perhaps there needs to be an institution created for setting the standards and policing the professional disciplines of "Political Spinning, Public Deception, Special Interests Cultivation, Taxpayer Exploitation."

Color me unsurprised that liberal / progressive / Democrat / Elitists value academic theoretical knowledge over hard won practical, 'hands on' knowledge.

You can see it in the theory based public policies they keep pushing, rather than ones based on common sense and the real world, and yet they keep wondering why their public policies keep failing. :lamo
What's that about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? :lamo
 
can you give some quantified metrics that you think illustrate Walker's exemplary track record?

Sure.

Wisconsin was running one of the nation's worst state deficits when Walker was inaugurated. The tax cuts and collective bargaining reforms he pushed through the legislature have revitalized the dismal Wisconsin economy and turned a $3.6 billion deficit into a 900+ million dollar surplus and has helped Wisconsin cities save many millions more. Walker's goal of 10,000 new businesses in Wisconsin by 2015 was realized with 13,000 new businesses starting up or moving into the state by the end of 2013 and Wisconsin's real and official unemployment rate is under the national average in a very long time..

School districts now have the ability to hire and fire based on merit and pay for performance and school choice was expanded. Improvements are beginning to show on test scores though it will be some more years before the full effect of that will be known. And that was accomplished with a decrease in statewide school property taxes.

$1.2 billion was added to the Medicaid programs that had been seriously underfunded.

Assuming he would enjoy the same success at the federal level, we could do a whole lot worse than a Scott Walker as President.
 
Sure.

Wisconsin was running one of the nation's worst state deficits when Walker was inaugurated. The tax cuts and collective bargaining reforms he pushed through the legislature have revitalized the dismal Wisconsin economy and turned a $3.6 billion deficit into a 900+ million dollar surplus

Wisconsin has a growing state deficit as he has already blown through the surplus he temporarily obtained.
Wisconsin state budget shortfall projected at nearly $1.8 billion
Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108 million debt payment. - The Washington Post



School districts now have the ability to hire and fire based on merit and pay for performance and school choice was expanded. Improvements are beginning to show on test scores though it will be some more years before the full effect of that will be known. And that was accomplished with a decrease in statewide school property taxes.
don't see any quantified #s here.

$1.2 billion was added to the Medicaid programs that had been seriously underfunded.
so he's pro increase in transfer payments?

Assuming he would enjoy the same success at the federal level, we could do a whole lot worse than a Scott Walker as President.

Well, sure. Could do a lot better too.
 
This is what is wrong with voters in America...style over substance.

I have no idea who this Walker guy is (other then this thread), but most people that voted here say that if this guy had a degree - say even in Elizabethan Poetry - that he would be a better candidate for POTUS because it proves he did not quit college?
Or you people would have more respect for him if he never went to college? did any of you bother to find out why he quit college? Maybe it was for a good reason (or maybe not).

Ridiculous.

So, this guy quit college when he was much younger...and that is a noticeable strike against him?

What does that have anything to do with the White House? Like it is a sign he might quit the presidency part way through? Suuuuuure.


The ONLY things that should matter are how this guy stands on the issues of today. Not whether he finished college or just about anything else he did 20+ years ago.

'Well, I agree with his stance on all the major issues, but he quit college (even though I did not bother to find out why he did) so...he's out.'

:roll:

This is why you people keep voting in one useless turd of a POTUS after another...style over substance.
 
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Not an insult at all, just an observation. There is a difference. If you take it as an insult, that's probably more telling than you want to admit.

Anyway, I've also been on record in this thread that the whole lack of a degree thing is a non-issue, and have stated clearly that track record is much more relevant. College simply isn't for everybody. College is also zero guarantee that a person is competent and capable.

When you label somebody as 'extremist', you pretty well insult that person I think. At least I take such a label as insulting. :)

But I don't disagree that Scott Walker's track record SHOULD override his lack of a college diploma when evaluating his qualifications to be President. As I said, the Democrats aren't suggesting any names of ANYBODY who can even come close to competing for Walker's qualifications for the job.

But qualifications don't matter all that much do they. The people elected Barack Obama twice despite a miserable track record so far as successes to show before he was elected and despite a miserable showing in his first term. He was the media's choice--he had the right letter after his name--so they made him look glorious and made his opponents look inadequate and clueless. Imagine what they will do to a candidate with the wrong letter after his name who doesn't even have a college diploma. Few people will hear about Scott Walker's accomplishments and successes. But they'll hear a lot about that lack of a diploma.
 
The curriculum for the degree is set by the faculty of the department (or higher up, too) to complete a prescribed course of study that satisfies their level of minimal study to show higher level education in that area.

Would you hire someone as mechanical engineer who never graduated with his degree and decided not to take statics and dynamics?

Further, would you say someone has a high school education if they dropped out after 9th grade? Of course not. "Has an education" _in "X" implies they took (and passed) the patently obvious and requisite courses to fully attain that education.

He took a bunch of college courses, but he didn't complete a degree. What field is he educated in specifically at a collegiate level?

What if someone took every single course required to graduate but chose not to put in for their degree?
 
Perhaps this might explain why Walker wants to cut even more money out of higher education.
 
When you label somebody as 'extremist', you pretty well insult that person I think. At least I take such a label as insulting. :)

But I don't disagree that Scott Walker's track record SHOULD override his lack of a college diploma when evaluating his qualifications to be President. As I said, the Democrats aren't suggesting any names of ANYBODY who can even come close to competing for Walker's qualifications for the job.

But qualifications don't matter all that much do they. The people elected Barack Obama twice despite a miserable track record so far as successes to show before he was elected and despite a miserable showing in his first term. He was the media's choice--he had the right letter after his name--so they made him look glorious and made his opponents look inadequate and clueless. Imagine what they will do to a candidate with the wrong letter after his name who doesn't even have a college diploma. Few people will hear about Scott Walker's accomplishments and successes. But they'll hear a lot about that lack of a diploma.
This is just a theory that I've been tossing around for a couple years now. The general fact regarding incumbent and/or known candidates having overwhelming advantage in elections and re-elections is well known. However, maybe... just maybe... the voting populace actually did choose Obama *because* he was a relative outsider. Maybe people did consciously go for the "new guy" over the 'old and stale', because they were tired of the same old crap.

If so, it doesn't seem to have worked out well for us. One of Obama's biggest failures has been his utter inability to even communicate with Congress. Either side of Congress, even.

This potential is causing me to rethink what has become for me a knee-jerk reaction against incumbents. Maybe we need people with at least some experience, people who understand the game and who will play the game.

I have to wonder if Obama could have been a decent President if he had a couple more Senate terms under his belt, and maybe this is why the Dems aren't putting forth any new names this time.
 
When you label somebody as 'extremist', you pretty well insult that person I think. At least I take such a label as insulting. :)

But I don't disagree that Scott Walker's track record SHOULD override his lack of a college diploma when evaluating his qualifications to be President. As I said, the Democrats aren't suggesting any names of ANYBODY who can even come close to competing for Walker's qualifications for the job.

But qualifications don't matter all that much do they. The people elected Barack Obama twice despite a miserable track record so far as successes to show before he was elected and despite a miserable showing in his first term. He was the media's choice--he had the right letter after his name--so they made him look glorious and made his opponents look inadequate and clueless. Imagine what they will do to a candidate with the wrong letter after his name who doesn't even have a college diploma. Few people will hear about Scott Walker's accomplishments and successes. But they'll hear a lot about that lack of a diploma.

 
Wisconsin has a growing state deficit as he has already blown through the surplus he temporarily obtained.
Wisconsin state budget shortfall projected at nearly $1.8 billion
Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108 million debt payment. - The Washington Post




don't see any quantified #s here.


so he's pro increase in transfer payments?



Well, sure. Could do a lot better too.

Who do you think would be better than Walker? And cite their track record and qualifications please.

As for the deferred principle payment, these happen in almost every state to balance cash flow. Such has been done I think I read seven times in Wisconsin since 2001 and before Walker was inaugurated. I wonder if those occasions were held up as black marks against the governor at that time?
 
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