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Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

Is Scott Walkers lack of a degree an issue

  • Yes, I dont take orders from some quitter

    Votes: 13 21.0%

  • No, he has enough real world experience to do the job

    Votes: 43 69.4%

  • Somewhat, I would like to see him finish.

    Votes: 6 9.7%
  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed .
polgara said:
I didn't meet any Amish people there that I recall, but I did meet a group in Queensland, Australia, a few years ago, believe it or not! They are farmers there just like they are here, with large farms. I wish I was there now - it's their Summertime, and I just did a quick check and it's 81 degrees there! It's 14 degrees here, which is below average, even for us. And more bad weather on it's way, according to the forecast. :thumbdown:
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I was asking along heritage lines and whether you might be related to an Amish family since you hail from PA. Much of my ethic is formed by their teaching, my sociology degree is out of Conrad Greoble College and Amish institution at the University of Waterloo.
snow on the mountains, nakedness on the beach.....I'm staying home
 
It is far down the list on what are his problems that make him unacceptable.

Its right after #14 - he is anti-labor union.
 
Removable Mind said:
I don't necessary disagree with your perspective about education. Some get it. Some don't. Not all who endure the process benefit. But if they miss the most important element, which is learning how to teach oneself...then all is for naught, no matter how smart a person is. Being smart isn't synonymous with success or leadership abilities.

As far as Obama and his academic experiences - both learning as a student, then later teacher - which has somehow manifest into his political behaviors as president. What president hasn't?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not an Obama fan. But I think it would be naive to see Obama engaging in something unique.

Here's the deal, Joko. The shortcomings of the Framers of the Constitution didn't include with the criteria of those who could run for office (with the exception in the judicial branch) - educational requirements and the necessity to have specific background experiences, which would make a person be able to make expert choices and decisions. Or even be capable of sorting out and making the most intelligible decisions based on information offered by experts as to the best course of action.

Our system of government and its election process isn't for ordinary people. People in high office don't get their by accident. There actions aren't for the benefit of the little people.
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What constitutes a great leader isn't easily measurable nor is actual practical knowledge or intelligence. A college degrees suggests the person at least has some general knowledge in the sense of at least a little bit of everything. What constitutes acquiring applicable and necessary experience, knowledge and wisdom is very much a mixed bag.

Simply put, what constitutes a great leader is a person who has that very special trait of "greatness." It seems American voters hoped President Obama was such a rare individual, only to learn he can deliver speeches written for him in skillfully persuasive ways. For who is being discussed now for 2016? It appears to me that few people even pretend any of the candidates discussed possess greatness.

Agree or disagree with Walker, obviously he is intelligent given he has won 3 elections in a state that voted blue in all countering Presidential years - and he does have more hours of college necessary for a degree. Possibly it is just opportunistic and tactical, rather than ethically driven or propelled by that thing of greatness. But his history shows he's as intelligent at least politically as other candidates being discussed.

A problem with super academia types is that they can become lost in their reasoning and rationality isolated from reality. Both Bush W and Obama seem to have that problem. They decide how they WANT the word to be to fit their model of what reality should be - and then make their decisions within that fantasy. If it fails? Then it's everyone else's fault for not acting correctly per their perceptions of how they should act - or something like that.

No, I'm not anti-education. I was VERY impressed by Romney's academic history - both an MBA from Harvard AND law degree - AND he had no race or gender card to play, plus did so with a conservative life style - which I speculate is not the norm at that tough university. But his detachment for what is ordinary and ordinary people - for which he made stupid comments (the 47% and "I like to fire people") - because he sees ordinary people as "those people," not as "we people." This obliterated his campaign. Obama had the intelligent to stay on script written by his army of advisers. Thus, Obama the smarter politician, but the best politician isn't necessarily the best leader, nor is the smartest leader necessarily the best either.
 
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Abraham Lincoln, arguably our greatest President, had almost no formal education.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I was asking along heritage lines and whether you might be related to an Amish family since you hail from PA. Much of my ethic is formed by their teaching, my sociology degree is out of Conrad Greoble College and Amish institution at the University of Waterloo.
snow on the mountains, nakedness on the beach.....I'm staying home
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No, I've lived my entire life in NE Ohio. We do have a large Amish community about 25 miles South of here, though. Great cooks, and greater bakers! They run a 12-acre farmer's market/flea market - outdoors during the Summer and indoors year round. There is an Amish-run restaurant on site that seats 450 people, but you still almost always have to wait in line since they are so popular because of their home-style cooking - and they offer 21 different pie choices for dessert! Yummy! You can buy pies to take home, too - which everyone seems to do. The waitresses are mostly soft-spoken younger Amish gals in their early 20s, and all wear the long blue cotton dresses with white aprons, and the little lace caps to cover their hair - no makeup at all - and they are efficient! They are only open from 11:00 am to 8:00 pm, and no alcohol of any kind is served.
 
polgara said:
No, I've lived my entire life in NE Ohio. We do have a large Amish community about 25 miles South of here, though. Great cooks, and greater bakers! They run a 12-acre farmer's market/flea market - outdoors during the Summer and indoors year round. There is an Amish-run restaurant on site that seats 450 people, but you still almost always have to wait in line since they are so popular because of their home-style cooking - and they offer 21 different pie choices for dessert! Yummy! You can buy pies to take home, too - which everyone seems to do. The waitresses are mostly soft-spoken younger Amish gals in their early 20s, and all wear the long blue cotton dresses with white aprons, and the little lace caps to cover their hair - no makeup at all - and they are efficient! They are only open from 11:00 am to 8:00 pm, and no alcohol of any kind is served.
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A good friend of mine (now deceased) was a substantial farmer in western PA. He admired Amish craft skill, but described them as avaricious and untrustworthy in business. I have no personal experience.
 
polgara said:
No, I've lived my entire life in NE Ohio. We do have a large Amish community about 25 miles South of here, though. Great cooks, and greater bakers! They run a 12-acre farmer's market/flea market - outdoors during the Summer and indoors year round. There is an Amish-run restaurant on site that seats 450 people, but you still almost always have to wait in line since they are so popular because of their home-style cooking - and they offer 21 different pie choices for dessert! Yummy! You can buy pies to take home, too - which everyone seems to do. The waitresses are mostly soft-spoken younger Amish gals in their early 20s, and all wear the long blue cotton dresses with white aprons, and the little lace caps to cover their hair - no makeup at all - and they are efficient! They are only open from 11:00 am to 8:00 pm, and no alcohol of any kind is served.
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Never! Ice cream in moderation....about twice a summer. Swim with your clothes on.

I did a kind of woodworking apprenticeship in my childhood, my grandfather was a wood carver. I stayed on an Amish farm as the little business is part of the farm. Oil lamps are to find the bedroom, an ice box for refrigeration only and to bed after the sun sets and family prayers are said in the dark.

Up before dawn to wake and prepare the cows for milking, breakfast and then chores till noon when you started eight hours in the wood plant.


Then you have the progressive Minnonite, who may drive a car but in Waterloo they painted the chrome black to avoid having "worldly ways"

I have to say the theology is more than respectable, they base much of their church and of things on Acts 2:11 where they meet in each other's homes...and "Celebrate" a service in joy. They are among the most humanitarian people in the world. Mormons reach out to convert, Menonites reach out to bring healing and peace.

Some people say they are cowards because they will fight in no war. But I have seen acts of courage beyond endurance as when a gunman went wild in their midst and killed innocent children. The community was called to prayer to pray for the soul of the gunman. Now that is grit.
 
Jack Hays said:
A good friend of mine (now deceased) was a substantial farmer in western PA. He admired Amish craft skill, but described them as avaricious and untrustworthy in business. I have no personal experience.
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Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

I don't know any of them personally, either, but they all seem to be hard workers, from what I've seen. I have bought several Eden-Pure space heaters made by the Amish over the years, and they keep a large room warm and use hardly any electricity - pennies a day! My cat loves to sit on top of the thing when I'm using it, and they advertise that they are safe to use around children, which is true. They Amish are also supposed to be expert furniture makers, but I haven't bought anything from them, since I have carpenters in my family, so I don't know.

It surprises me to hear they are avaricious and untrustworthy in business, since they hail from a strict religious sect, but I guess it takes all kinds of people to make a group. I'm not sure what the differences are between the Amish, Mennonite, Pennsylvania Dutch, etc, as far as their churches' religious teachings go, but all seem to allow their young people time to go out into the world and "sow their wild oats," so to speak, before they settle down and are accepted by the Amish community. I've never read about any criminal behavior on the part of an Amish person, so it must work for them. :thumbs:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Jack. :2wave:

I don't know any of them personally, either, but they all seem to be hard workers, from what I've seen. I have bought several Eden-Pure space heaters made by the Amish over the years, and they keep a large room warm and use hardly any electricity - pennies a day! My cat loves to sit on top of the thing when I'm using it, and they advertise that they are safe to use around children, which is true. They Amish are also supposed to be expert furniture makers, but I haven't bought anything from them, since I have carpenters in my family, so I don't know.

It surprises me to hear they are avaricious and untrustworthy in business, since they hail from a strict religious sect, but I guess it takes all kinds of people to make a group. I'm not sure what the differences are between the Amish, Mennonite, Pennsylvania Dutch, etc, as far as their churches' religious teachings go, but all seem to allow their young people time to go out into the world and "sow their wild oats," so to speak, before they settle down and are accepted by the Amish community. I've never read about any criminal behavior on the part of an Amish person, so it must work for them. :thumbs:
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Good evening, Polgara.:2wave:

I'm glad your experience was better.
 
joko104 said:
What constitutes a great leader isn't easily measurable nor is actual practical knowledge or intelligence. A college degrees suggests the person at least has some general knowledge in the sense of at least a little bit of everything. What constitutes acquiring applicable and necessary experience, knowledge and wisdom is very much a mixed bag.

Simply put, what constitutes a great leader is a person who has that very special trait of "greatness." It seems American voters hoped President Obama was such a rare individual, only to learn he can deliver speeches written for him in skillfully persuasive ways. For who is being discussed now for 2016? It appears to me that few people even pretend any of the candidates discussed possess greatness.

Agree or disagree with Walker, obviously he is intelligent given he has won 3 elections in a state that voted blue in all countering Presidential years - and he does have more hours of college necessary for a degree. Possibly it is just opportunistic and tactical, rather than ethically driven or propelled by that thing of greatness. But his history shows he's as intelligent at least politically as other candidates being discussed.

A problem with super academia types is that they can become lost in their reasoning and rationality isolated from reality. Both Bush W and Obama seem to have that problem. They decide how they WANT the word to be to fit their model of what reality should be - and then make their decisions within that fantasy. If it fails? Then it's everyone else's fault for not acting correctly per their perceptions of how they should act - or something like that.

No, I'm not anti-education. I was VERY impressed by Romney's academic history - both an MBA from Harvard AND law degree - AND he had no race or gender card to play, plus did so with a conservative life style - which I speculate is not the norm at that tough university. But his detachment for what is ordinary and ordinary people - for which he made stupid comments (the 47% and "I like to fire people") - because he sees ordinary people as "those people," not as "we people." This obliterated his campaign. Obama had the intelligent to stay on script written by his army of advisers. Thus, Obama the smarter politician, but the best politician isn't necessarily the best leader, nor is the smartest leader necessarily the best either.
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It's interesting to google "Minimum Qualifications for Public Office" and plug in any state name. Then do the same for our federal elected office holder. As I said before, only judiciary seats require a degree, a specific type of degree.

We live in a country where holding "most" high offices don't legally require a specific level of education or an election system that requires voters to have a specific level of education, which makes for a damn interesting set of possible outcomes.

By the way, there were nine presidents didn't go to college: George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Grover Cleveland, and Harry Truman

Scott Walker has engaged in some pretty bold political moves, which a lot of outsiders thought would end his political aspirations. Nope, didn't happen. I don't personally know how intellectual he is or isn't, but he's smart enough to have some clever people around him. That's more than half the battle. And as you've pointed out - won 3 elections in a state that voted blue in all countering presidential years. Also as you've pointed out - despite not having a degree, he is educated.

Unfortunately we have a political election system that isn't designed to protect the citizens from making bad choices - which are often made as a result of political magniloquence.

I do have to say that Obama is, for a better lack of another term, a synchronistic anomaly or maybe some quantum physics event. The Obama who ran for election for a couple of years prior to the 2008 election disappeared after Nov 4th general elections and another identical looking Obama showed up at the White House in January 20th of 2009.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Never! Ice cream in moderation....about twice a summer. Swim with your clothes on.

I did a kind of woodworking apprenticeship in my childhood, my grandfather was a wood carver. I stayed on an Amish farm as the little business is part of the farm. Oil lamps are to find the bedroom, an ice box for refrigeration only and to bed after the sun sets and family prayers are said in the dark.

Up before dawn to wake and prepare the cows for milking, breakfast and then chores till noon when you started eight hours in the wood plant.


Then you have the progressive Minnonite, who may drive a car but in Waterloo they painted the chrome black to avoid having "worldly ways"

I have to say the theology is more than respectable, they base much of their church and of things on Acts 2:11 where they meet in each other's homes...and "Celebrate" a service in joy. They are among the most humanitarian people in the world. Mormons reach out to convert, Menonites reach out to bring healing and peace.

Some people say they are cowards because they will fight in no war. But I have seen acts of courage beyond endurance as when a gunman went wild in their midst and killed innocent children. The community was called to prayer to pray for the soul of the gunman. Now that is grit.
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They do seem to be loosening up a bit from what was "prohibited" previously. My son-in-law was surprised to see that they are permitted to use power tools now, and that was not the case in the past. Same with owning and driving a car. The women still do not wear makeup, though, and both men and women and children still wear the same style clothing they did 50 years ago, with the women still wearing the big white aprons. Are they permitted to have curtains and drapes for the windows in their homes now, and are they allowed to have electricity in their buildings?

The ironic thing to me is if we do have a catastrophic event in our future, such as the grid being destroyed, they may be the only people who will not notice much change in their lifestyle! :shock: Good for them!
 
polgara said:
They do seem to be loosening up a bit from what was "prohibited" previously. My son-in-law was surprised to see that they are permitted to use power tools now, and that was not the case in the past. Same with owning and driving a car. The women still do not wear makeup, though, and both men and women and children still wear the same style clothing they did 50 years ago, with the women still wearing the big white aprons. Are they permitted to have curtains and drapes for the windows in their homes now, and are they allowed to have electricity in their buildings?

The ironic thing to me is if we do have a catastrophic event in our future, such as the grid being destroyed, they may be the only people who will not notice much change in their lifestyle! :shock: Good for them!
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there are varying degree of Mennonite. Orthodox, which is prevalent in the Lancaster PA area and around Waterloo demands horses and buggies etc. What I have never understood is why that particular time? They are in about the last half of the 19th century technologically. Why that?
 
I didn't read this whole thread so if this has been asked and answered I'm sorry. Who was the last president without a College degree?
 
Fearandloathing said:
I was asking along heritage lines and whether you might be related to an Amish family since you hail from PA. Much of my ethic is formed by their teaching, my sociology degree is out of Conrad Greoble College and Amish institution at the University of Waterloo.
snow on the mountains, nakedness on the beach.....I'm staying home
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My little bro is a sociology prof. I had fun taking such classes, it was never too in depth though.
 
US Conservative said:
My little bro is a sociology prof. I had fun taking such classes, it was never too in depth though.
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Mine was for fun. I was heading for a poly sci but chickened out. I didn't need it I was very gainfully employed in radio at the time. It was kind of to prove to myself I could do university level work. I had a diploma in journalism that paid better than the best job a BA sociology would pay and neither as much as my buddy who dropped out of journalism to become a welder.
 
Removable Mind said:
It's interesting to google "Minimum Qualifications for Public Office" and plug in any state name. Then do the same for our federal elected office holder. As I said before, only judiciary seats require a degree, a specific type of degree.

We live in a country where holding "most" high offices don't legally require a specific level of education or an election system that requires voters to have a specific level of education, which makes for a damn interesting set of possible outcomes.

By the way, there were nine presidents didn't go to college: George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Grover Cleveland, and Harry Truman

Scott Walker has engaged in some pretty bold political moves, which a lot of outsiders thought would end his political aspirations. Nope, didn't happen. I don't personally know how intellectual he is or isn't, but he's smart enough to have some clever people around him. That's more than half the battle. And as you've pointed out - won 3 elections in a state that voted blue in all countering presidential years. Also as you've pointed out - despite not having a degree, he is educated.

Unfortunately we have a political election system that isn't designed to protect the citizens from making bad choices - which are often made as a result of political magniloquence.

I do have to say that Obama is, for a better lack of another term, a synchronistic anomaly or maybe some quantum physics event. The Obama who ran for election for a couple of years prior to the 2008 election disappeared after Nov 4th general elections and another identical looking Obama showed up at the White House in January 20th of 2009.
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On that list of 9 are the two considered by ever poll to be the 2 greatest presidents ever - Washington and Lincoln - and 3 on money. It is likely accurate that Washington and Lincoln both were highly educated and book educated. However, the notion of going off to a university was very, very rare.

However, obtaining an education used to mean something quite different than it is not, meaning not built around structured studies and diplomas.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Mine was for fun. I was heading for a poly sci but chickened out. I didn't need it I was very gainfully employed in radio at the time. It was kind of to prove to myself I could do university level work. I had a diploma in journalism that paid better than the best job a BA sociology would pay and neither as much as my buddy who dropped out of journalism to become a welder.
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He he yeah sociology does not pay, I remind him from time to time. What was your radio work?
 
US Conservative said:
He he yeah sociology does not pay, I remind him from time to time. What was your radio work?
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news.

I spent 12 years in radio as both reporter and anchor before going to TV, then again for another six years part time week ends. I loved radio. It is the best least precise medium and the fastest. You need a pen, a pad, a tape recorder a phone jack and you could cover a war.

TV is an ancient old buffalo, stubborn and and set in its ways, stuck in the mud. Anything anymore needs rehearsing with out tag lines and pre-timed responses. You need to negotiate through union contracts to get to a tsunami before it happens [true and happened, I was sent to a tsunami that was supposed to hit Vancouver island but didn't the only people headed toward the disaster....think about that and what 'news' really is]

Print? Print was what I always wanted to do....pen, pad, camera and a plane ticket to Hanoi...
 
Gringo allstar said:
Or he could win in a landslide, who really knows??:shock:
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...well, if he is running for Prez, he can not win in a landslide. He could possibly win, but only in a squeaker. Hillary, OTH, could win in a landslide.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Is it an issue for you. I like him, but that is a sticking point.
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Really. Seriously. At this level, what you learned in an academic setting at least two to three decades ago, is completely irrelevant. What is relevant are your points-of-view, and your track record. That is well-established and is a more pertinent indicator of what you will do and how well you will do it.

Even the criticism of not finishing what he started isn't germane when measured against what he's done lately. This would be more relevant to someone like a Sarah Palin who relatively recently quit her governorship in mid-term for specious reasons.
 
radcen said:
Really. Seriously. At this level, what you learned in an academic setting at least two to three decades ago, is completely irrelevant. What is relevant are your points-of-view, and your track record. That is well-established and is a more pertinent indicator of what you will do and how well you will do it.

Even the criticism of not finishing what he started isn't germane when measured against what he's done lately. This would be more relevant to someone like a Sarah Palin who relatively recently quit her governorship in mid-term for specious reasons.
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Which is why I am not a Palin fan.
 
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