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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

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    I didn't meet any Amish people there that I recall, but I did meet a group in Queensland, Australia, a few years ago, believe it or not! They are farmers there just like they are here, with large farms. I wish I was there now - it's their Summertime, and I just did a quick check and it's 81 degrees there! It's 14 degrees here, which is below average, even for us. And more bad weather on it's way, according to the forecast. :
    I was asking along heritage lines and whether you might be related to an Amish family since you hail from PA. Much of my ethic is formed by their teaching, my sociology degree is out of Conrad Greoble College and Amish institution at the University of Waterloo.
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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    It is far down the list on what are his problems that make him unacceptable.

    Its right after #14 - he is anti-labor union.
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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I don't necessary disagree with your perspective about education. Some get it. Some don't. Not all who endure the process benefit. But if they miss the most important element, which is learning how to teach oneself...then all is for naught, no matter how smart a person is. Being smart isn't synonymous with success or leadership abilities.

    As far as Obama and his academic experiences - both learning as a student, then later teacher - which has somehow manifest into his political behaviors as president. What president hasn't?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not an Obama fan. But I think it would be naive to see Obama engaging in something unique.

    Here's the deal, Joko. The shortcomings of the Framers of the Constitution didn't include with the criteria of those who could run for office (with the exception in the judicial branch) - educational requirements and the necessity to have specific background experiences, which would make a person be able to make expert choices and decisions. Or even be capable of sorting out and making the most intelligible decisions based on information offered by experts as to the best course of action.

    Our system of government and its election process isn't for ordinary people. People in high office don't get their by accident. There actions aren't for the benefit of the little people.
    What constitutes a great leader isn't easily measurable nor is actual practical knowledge or intelligence. A college degrees suggests the person at least has some general knowledge in the sense of at least a little bit of everything. What constitutes acquiring applicable and necessary experience, knowledge and wisdom is very much a mixed bag.

    Simply put, what constitutes a great leader is a person who has that very special trait of "greatness." It seems American voters hoped President Obama was such a rare individual, only to learn he can deliver speeches written for him in skillfully persuasive ways. For who is being discussed now for 2016? It appears to me that few people even pretend any of the candidates discussed possess greatness.

    Agree or disagree with Walker, obviously he is intelligent given he has won 3 elections in a state that voted blue in all countering Presidential years - and he does have more hours of college necessary for a degree. Possibly it is just opportunistic and tactical, rather than ethically driven or propelled by that thing of greatness. But his history shows he's as intelligent at least politically as other candidates being discussed.

    A problem with super academia types is that they can become lost in their reasoning and rationality isolated from reality. Both Bush W and Obama seem to have that problem. They decide how they WANT the word to be to fit their model of what reality should be - and then make their decisions within that fantasy. If it fails? Then it's everyone else's fault for not acting correctly per their perceptions of how they should act - or something like that.

    No, I'm not anti-education. I was VERY impressed by Romney's academic history - both an MBA from Harvard AND law degree - AND he had no race or gender card to play, plus did so with a conservative life style - which I speculate is not the norm at that tough university. But his detachment for what is ordinary and ordinary people - for which he made stupid comments (the 47% and "I like to fire people") - because he sees ordinary people as "those people," not as "we people." This obliterated his campaign. Obama had the intelligent to stay on script written by his army of advisers. Thus, Obama the smarter politician, but the best politician isn't necessarily the best leader, nor is the smartest leader necessarily the best either.
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    Abraham Lincoln, arguably our greatest President, had almost no formal education.
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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I was asking along heritage lines and whether you might be related to an Amish family since you hail from PA. Much of my ethic is formed by their teaching, my sociology degree is out of Conrad Greoble College and Amish institution at the University of Waterloo.
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    No, I've lived my entire life in NE Ohio. We do have a large Amish community about 25 miles South of here, though. Great cooks, and greater bakers! They run a 12-acre farmer's market/flea market - outdoors during the Summer and indoors year round. There is an Amish-run restaurant on site that seats 450 people, but you still almost always have to wait in line since they are so popular because of their home-style cooking - and they offer 21 different pie choices for dessert! Yummy! You can buy pies to take home, too - which everyone seems to do. The waitresses are mostly soft-spoken younger Amish gals in their early 20s, and all wear the long blue cotton dresses with white aprons, and the little lace caps to cover their hair - no makeup at all - and they are efficient! They are only open from 11:00 am to 8:00 pm, and no alcohol of any kind is served.

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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    No, I've lived my entire life in NE Ohio. We do have a large Amish community about 25 miles South of here, though. Great cooks, and greater bakers! They run a 12-acre farmer's market/flea market - outdoors during the Summer and indoors year round. There is an Amish-run restaurant on site that seats 450 people, but you still almost always have to wait in line since they are so popular because of their home-style cooking - and they offer 21 different pie choices for dessert! Yummy! You can buy pies to take home, too - which everyone seems to do. The waitresses are mostly soft-spoken younger Amish gals in their early 20s, and all wear the long blue cotton dresses with white aprons, and the little lace caps to cover their hair - no makeup at all - and they are efficient! They are only open from 11:00 am to 8:00 pm, and no alcohol of any kind is served.
    A good friend of mine (now deceased) was a substantial farmer in western PA. He admired Amish craft skill, but described them as avaricious and untrustworthy in business. I have no personal experience.
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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    No, I've lived my entire life in NE Ohio. We do have a large Amish community about 25 miles South of here, though. Great cooks, and greater bakers! They run a 12-acre farmer's market/flea market - outdoors during the Summer and indoors year round. There is an Amish-run restaurant on site that seats 450 people, but you still almost always have to wait in line since they are so popular because of their home-style cooking - and they offer 21 different pie choices for dessert! Yummy! You can buy pies to take home, too - which everyone seems to do. The waitresses are mostly soft-spoken younger Amish gals in their early 20s, and all wear the long blue cotton dresses with white aprons, and the little lace caps to cover their hair - no makeup at all - and they are efficient! They are only open from 11:00 am to 8:00 pm, and no alcohol of any kind is served.
    Never! Ice cream in moderation....about twice a summer. Swim with your clothes on.

    I did a kind of woodworking apprenticeship in my childhood, my grandfather was a wood carver. I stayed on an Amish farm as the little business is part of the farm. Oil lamps are to find the bedroom, an ice box for refrigeration only and to bed after the sun sets and family prayers are said in the dark.

    Up before dawn to wake and prepare the cows for milking, breakfast and then chores till noon when you started eight hours in the wood plant.


    Then you have the progressive Minnonite, who may drive a car but in Waterloo they painted the chrome black to avoid having "worldly ways"

    I have to say the theology is more than respectable, they base much of their church and of things on Acts 2:11 where they meet in each other's homes...and "Celebrate" a service in joy. They are among the most humanitarian people in the world. Mormons reach out to convert, Menonites reach out to bring healing and peace.

    Some people say they are cowards because they will fight in no war. But I have seen acts of courage beyond endurance as when a gunman went wild in their midst and killed innocent children. The community was called to prayer to pray for the soul of the gunman. Now that is grit.
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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    A good friend of mine (now deceased) was a substantial farmer in western PA. He admired Amish craft skill, but described them as avaricious and untrustworthy in business. I have no personal experience.
    Greetings, Jack.

    I don't know any of them personally, either, but they all seem to be hard workers, from what I've seen. I have bought several Eden-Pure space heaters made by the Amish over the years, and they keep a large room warm and use hardly any electricity - pennies a day! My cat loves to sit on top of the thing when I'm using it, and they advertise that they are safe to use around children, which is true. They Amish are also supposed to be expert furniture makers, but I haven't bought anything from them, since I have carpenters in my family, so I don't know.

    It surprises me to hear they are avaricious and untrustworthy in business, since they hail from a strict religious sect, but I guess it takes all kinds of people to make a group. I'm not sure what the differences are between the Amish, Mennonite, Pennsylvania Dutch, etc, as far as their churches' religious teachings go, but all seem to allow their young people time to go out into the world and "sow their wild oats," so to speak, before they settle down and are accepted by the Amish community. I've never read about any criminal behavior on the part of an Amish person, so it must work for them.

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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Jack.

    I don't know any of them personally, either, but they all seem to be hard workers, from what I've seen. I have bought several Eden-Pure space heaters made by the Amish over the years, and they keep a large room warm and use hardly any electricity - pennies a day! My cat loves to sit on top of the thing when I'm using it, and they advertise that they are safe to use around children, which is true. They Amish are also supposed to be expert furniture makers, but I haven't bought anything from them, since I have carpenters in my family, so I don't know.

    It surprises me to hear they are avaricious and untrustworthy in business, since they hail from a strict religious sect, but I guess it takes all kinds of people to make a group. I'm not sure what the differences are between the Amish, Mennonite, Pennsylvania Dutch, etc, as far as their churches' religious teachings go, but all seem to allow their young people time to go out into the world and "sow their wild oats," so to speak, before they settle down and are accepted by the Amish community. I've never read about any criminal behavior on the part of an Amish person, so it must work for them.
    Good evening, Polgara.

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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What constitutes a great leader isn't easily measurable nor is actual practical knowledge or intelligence. A college degrees suggests the person at least has some general knowledge in the sense of at least a little bit of everything. What constitutes acquiring applicable and necessary experience, knowledge and wisdom is very much a mixed bag.

    Simply put, what constitutes a great leader is a person who has that very special trait of "greatness." It seems American voters hoped President Obama was such a rare individual, only to learn he can deliver speeches written for him in skillfully persuasive ways. For who is being discussed now for 2016? It appears to me that few people even pretend any of the candidates discussed possess greatness.

    Agree or disagree with Walker, obviously he is intelligent given he has won 3 elections in a state that voted blue in all countering Presidential years - and he does have more hours of college necessary for a degree. Possibly it is just opportunistic and tactical, rather than ethically driven or propelled by that thing of greatness. But his history shows he's as intelligent at least politically as other candidates being discussed.

    A problem with super academia types is that they can become lost in their reasoning and rationality isolated from reality. Both Bush W and Obama seem to have that problem. They decide how they WANT the word to be to fit their model of what reality should be - and then make their decisions within that fantasy. If it fails? Then it's everyone else's fault for not acting correctly per their perceptions of how they should act - or something like that.

    No, I'm not anti-education. I was VERY impressed by Romney's academic history - both an MBA from Harvard AND law degree - AND he had no race or gender card to play, plus did so with a conservative life style - which I speculate is not the norm at that tough university. But his detachment for what is ordinary and ordinary people - for which he made stupid comments (the 47% and "I like to fire people") - because he sees ordinary people as "those people," not as "we people." This obliterated his campaign. Obama had the intelligent to stay on script written by his army of advisers. Thus, Obama the smarter politician, but the best politician isn't necessarily the best leader, nor is the smartest leader necessarily the best either.
    It's interesting to google "Minimum Qualifications for Public Office" and plug in any state name. Then do the same for our federal elected office holder. As I said before, only judiciary seats require a degree, a specific type of degree.

    We live in a country where holding "most" high offices don't legally require a specific level of education or an election system that requires voters to have a specific level of education, which makes for a damn interesting set of possible outcomes.

    By the way, there were nine presidents didn't go to college: George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Johnson, Grover Cleveland, and Harry Truman

    Scott Walker has engaged in some pretty bold political moves, which a lot of outsiders thought would end his political aspirations. Nope, didn't happen. I don't personally know how intellectual he is or isn't, but he's smart enough to have some clever people around him. That's more than half the battle. And as you've pointed out - won 3 elections in a state that voted blue in all countering presidential years. Also as you've pointed out - despite not having a degree, he is educated.

    Unfortunately we have a political election system that isn't designed to protect the citizens from making bad choices - which are often made as a result of political magniloquence.

    I do have to say that Obama is, for a better lack of another term, a synchronistic anomaly or maybe some quantum physics event. The Obama who ran for election for a couple of years prior to the 2008 election disappeared after Nov 4th general elections and another identical looking Obama showed up at the White House in January 20th of 2009.

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