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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    supposedly he got a job...I don't know where or doing what, though.


    I have a good friend in the IT industry... he enrolled , declared a major ( computer science), and didn't even attend a single class before he was approached for a job... that was 20 years ago, and he's still with the same firm making very good money....he never went back to school for even 1 day.

    walkers choice doesn't seem so silly when we look at where he is today... i mean, it doesn't seem to have hurt him whatsoever.
    Computer programming is a very interesting endeavor. My degree is in math but my job was computer programming and then managing programmers. Everyone wants to make out like it is a science, but in many ways I think it is more like an art form. People have written "code generators" to try and eliminate the need for so many programmers, but they seem to have fallen from favor. The code was just not that good. Maintaining the code and making it do "exactly" what you wanted are not easily achieved.

    Poor programmers can make a program achieve its objective, however when you read it, its sloppy. There are many twists and turns, which indicate the programmer did not fully analyze the process before coding, so they had to add in the pieces they originally neglected. This makes the program error prone, hard to maintain, and in some cases it performs slowly.

    A master will fully analyze the problem the first time and design a complete solution, then commit it to code that is clean, logically well organized, it will be reliable, maintainable in the future, and perform well.

    It's like the difference between a Grandma Moses painting and a da Vinci, both are paintings, but there is all the difference in the world.

    There is an aptitude to do this, and it comes from intelligence, practice, refinement of the art over years, not a college degree.

    I suppose there are other disciplines like this.

    Regarding Scott Walker, I will look at real world results. I don't care if he has a degree, I want to know what he has done, is his success due to things he has done, or was he just standing there when something good happened and is he taking credit he does not deserve. You have to look below the surface, the devil is ALWAYS in the details.

    Edit: This is not to say that all the best programmers don't have a degree. Some of the best do have degrees, and some of the advanced theory they learned in college can help them design a superior solution that a non-degree programmer would not achieve. I would never say a degree is worthless. This difference would emerge in high value pieces of code with high use, such as an operating system design, or building a new database manager to store and retrieve data, very large, complex, high use programs. For standard meat and potato applications like an accounting general ledger, you probably could not tell the difference.
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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    I could care less about him not having a college degree. I judge him on his experience as governor of Wisconsin. He gets my vote.
    How much less could you care?










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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Or hands on and book combined. In my first job, I worked with an electrical engineer, who never went to college a day in his life. He was self taught. A college degree is wonderful, however most of the employers I have worked for valued experience more then degrees.
    Absolutely. I was an adjunct instructor at a local Community College for 3 years for my field at the time. I have never served a day in a college class as a student. Everything I know of my current position I learned on the job. I am not saying the President of the United States should learn on the job, just giving an example of how there are other ways to learn.

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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Which diploma was bought for him, and how much did it cost? Please post some links.
    Being refused at the University of Texas he was admitted to Yale as a legacy.










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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Being refused at the University of Texas he was admitted to Yale as a legacy.
    Can you please post the links that show how much his father paid to get him into Yale and Harvard, and how much his father paid to ensure that his professors were giving him sufficient grades so that he could collect his diplomas from both schools?
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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Can you please post the links that show how much his father paid to get him into Yale and Harvard, and how much his father paid to ensure that his professors were giving him sufficient grades so that he could collect his diplomas from both schools?
    I don't know that I have ever seen such a link. But you can dismiss the Yale admission argument as Bush was a legacy.










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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    All officers are college educated. When were you in 50 years ago?
    Close. 40 years ago. However you are still wrong. While most officers are college educated, to say all of them are is simply not true. They still commission many of them from the enlisted ranks if they have the technical, organizational, and leadership skills needed.

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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I don't know that I have ever seen such a link. But you can dismiss the Yale admission argument as Bush was a legacy.
    Yale, like most private colleges, admits a lot of legacies. Many of these same colleges advertise and have for years that children of alumni are given preference.

    None of that has to do with the unproven claim that Bush's father paid to get him into Yale and Harvard, and it doesn't explain how he managed to graduate from both Yale and Harvard.

    Assuming he got into and graduated from Yale and Harvard only because his father also graduated from Yale is about as honest as assuming Barack Obama got into Occidental, Columbia and Harvard only because he's black.
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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    Close. 40 years ago. However you are still wrong. While most officers are college educated, to say all of them are is simply not true. They still commission many of them from the enlisted ranks if they have the technical, organizational, and leadership skills needed.
    No in the last few decades. I live very close to an airbase and have at other jobs interfaced with Officers as well as non comms and to get to officer grade you need a college education.
    There are no more battlefield commissions or experienced based commissions.
    That said, even if there were. It would be few and the mass majority of officers are college grads and I think would rather follow the lead of other college grads.

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    Re: Scott Walkers lack of College Degree.

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Yes, the world is not the simple place it was 100 years ago.

    Leader needs to be able to play chess, not checkers. Ability to understand and optimize policy recommendations from scores of advisors across economics, foreign policy, science, etc ...


    Now to be fair, if he actually showed intellect off the charts and didn't finish college, that would be another story. But since he hasn't....
    True. That's why he's lost all his recent political battles against minor opposition.

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