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Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

What should President do about Marines surrounded at Al-Asad Air Base?

  • Order those US Marine flee like in Yemen

    Votes: 6 14.6%

  • Have those Marines surrender to ISIS forces

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • Have those Marines stay and fight it out on their own

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • Send reinforcements and stand their ground

    Votes: 7 17.1%

  • Send reinforcements and attack ISIS

    Votes: 26 63.4%
  • Total voters
    41
Aunt Spiker said:
What should the president do?

Like a good little lamb, Obama needs to shut the **** up and step back and let people who are vested in our military efforts and know a thing or two about it make decisions. The less he does, the better. He's a spineless fish of a dickweed who spites our men in uniform and never considers that maybe making decisions about military tactics is above his paygrade.

Give him a camera - let him take some more selfies and just get the **** out of the way if he's not going to be impeached like he should be.
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cpwill said:
um.... damn.... :lol:
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Indeeed. umm Damn!
 
Grant said:
This is from five hours ago but if you have any evidence that it was fake do you have a link? Op-Ed: Islamic State captures town near base with 300 U.S. marines
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It's talking about reports from Fri and Sat, the same ones that have been repeated over and over again. Today is Tuesday. That article might have been published just five hours ago, but it's not reporting anything that happened just five hours ago. It's not reporting anything that is new at all.

The article also says:

"At no time were U.S. troops anywhere near the fighting," Rear Adm. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, told reporters Friday. "They might have heard shots being fired, but that would have been about it.

Read more: Op-Ed: Islamic State captures town near base with 300 U.S. marines
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I feel that the original "Marines are surrounded" article being referred to in the OP is pretty much fake in that it was a vast exageration, and I couldn't find any creditable news story that colaborates that any marines were actually surrounded.
 
imagep said:
It's talking about reports from Fri and Sat, the same ones that have been repeated over and over again. Today is Tuesday. The article also says: I feel that the original "Marines are surrounded" article being referred to in the OP is pretty much fake in that it was a vast exageration, and I couldn't find any creditable news story that colaborates that any marines were actually surrounded.
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So is it the term 'surrounded" that you find fake or the idea that these troops are in any sort of danger?
 
CRUE CAB said:
Really? I didn't know this was a street or bar fight. Get on planes, leave. Pretty simple. Secure our borders...........oh wait we cant do that.
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Yes, I understand your view is when a foreign power declares war on the USA and attacks Americans we should immediately run away ASAP.

I imagine you figure you can barricade yourself in your house (or mobile home) with your AR15 and hold off all comers. They're already across our borders nor can our massive borders be secured against infiltration by military enemies.
 
Grant said:
So is it the term 'surrounded" that you find fake or the idea that these troops are in any sort of danger?
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Both.

I think that any danger to US troops may be highly exagerated. Not that there isn't any danger, there always is, but it's not at all likely that this base will be taken over by ISIS, not anytime soon anyway. The reports I read about that little town being taken over by ISIS indicate that it was just a few hundred ISIS fighters. If there are 320 marines at that base, and if their purpose is to train Iraqi troops, then I would have to assume that there are many more Iraqi troops stationed there than marines, so combining Iraqi troops with US marines, we might have two thousand or more forces there, with air support. I can't see ISIS abandoning that town to try to take over an air base that they have no chance of taking over.
 
earthworm said:
We are discussion our Marines here , NOT you and I .. The Marines are special, and merit more support....
"Never give up... !"
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I don't think they're gonna be bested, I'd just like for them to pulled out of this situation as cleanly as possible.
 
imagep said:
We have 300+ American troops with air support, plus hundreds or maybe even thousands of Iraqi troops at that base. The reports that I read indicate there were less than 400 ISIS fighters who took over that neighboring town. So even if all the ISIS fighters in that down attacked the base, ISIS would be pathetically outnumbered and outgunned. And I don't see them abandoning the town at all.
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Again, I don't think our men are gonna get bested by ISIS, I just want to them pulled out of this situation as cleanly as possible.
 
imagep said:
Both.

I think that any danger to US troops may be highly exagerated. Not that there isn't any danger, there always is, but it's not at all likely that this base will be taken over by ISIS, not anytime soon anyway. The reports I read about that little town being taken over by ISIS indicate that it was just a few hundred ISIS fighters. If there are 320 marines at that base, and if their purpose is to train Iraqi troops, then I would have to assume that there are many more Iraqi troops stationed there than marines, so combining Iraqi troops with US marines, we might have two thousand or more forces there, with air support. I can't see ISIS abandoning that town to try to take over an air base that they have no chance of taking over.
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Would have the same optimism if you were President or would you act now?
 
Grant said:
Would have the same optimism if you were President or would you act now?
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Sometimes just standing your ground is an act. If I was President, I believe that's what I would do.

I don't support a full fledged ground war against ISIS. It's not our problem, it need to be handled by people who ISIS is a real threat to. However, I don't mind the US helping to contain ISIS so that it doesn't spread outside the region. I certainly wouldn't ask the US military to go running off like those chicken **** Iraqi troops did.
 
joko104 said:
Yes, I understand your view is when a foreign power declares war on the USA and attacks Americans we should immediately run away ASAP.

I imagine you figure you can barricade yourself in your house (or mobile home) with your AR15 and hold off all comers. They're already across our borders nor can our massive borders be secured against infiltration by military enemies.
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So sign up and go fight. You dont think the US has bled enough for those bastards? Have we not spent enough on them? Did we not train them for a decade.
Oh, and foreign "power". LOL
 
apdst said:
The lives of our matter. I'll never apologize for that.
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What are the rest, dog meat? I am referring to civilians, not combatants.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Its a lost cause. As much as I am for a good fight and defeating evil. There is no win here no matter what.
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All it does is take a boiling pot down to a simmer and in a few years or less it will be back to a boil again. The Govts have to change. people have to have rights, jobs, free from death squads, corruption reined in.
Not one sect treating the other as heretics would also be a grand ffn start.
 
JANFU said:
What are the rest, dog meat? I am referring to civilians, not combatants.
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You mean those civilians that wont fight, cant fight, not willing to fight? No, they are not worth one US soldier.
 
JANFU said:
What are the rest, dog meat? I am referring to civilians, not combatants.
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If the locals don't like it, they can strap up and kill the islamofacists, themselves and we won't have to.
 
imagep said:
Sometimes just standing your ground is an act. If I was President, I believe that's what I would do.

I don't support a full fledged ground war against ISIS. It's not our problem, it need to be handled by people who ISIS is a real threat to. However, I don't mind the US helping to contain ISIS so that it doesn't spread outside the region. I certainly wouldn't ask the US military to go running off like those chicken **** Iraqi troops did.
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Containment won't work.
 
imagep said:
ISIS pisses me off just as much as it pissed people like apdst off, but American ground forces will not be particularly effective against an enemy that we can't identify, and which doesn't conduct themselves by any particular rules of engagement, and which may or may not even be in uniform. No point in fighting a war we can't win.

I totally get the emotional response to ISIS, but I really don't get those who insist that it's the responsibility of the US to fight someone else's battle. I suspect for some reason, people like adpst can't imagine the scenario that our ground troops would be in. Do they really thing that ISIS will just amass in a large formation that we can wipe out? Or do they think we can go door to door asking people: "are you ISIS"?
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Yeah, we all want them to get together in a massed group, holding up, Bomb Me signs. As we both know, ain't gonna happen.
They slither back into the civilian population, same as the Taliban do.
 
CRUE CAB said:
You mean those civilians that wont fight, cant fight, not willing to fight? No, they are not worth one US soldier.
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Are you for carpet bombing?
City- 20 K civilians- 2 k ISIL, bomb em all????
Then bomb the rubble as well just to make sure.
 
apdst said:
If the locals don't like it, they can strap up and kill the islamofacists, themselves and we won't have to.
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I just replied to Crue Cab - with this. Feel free to answer.
Are you for carpet bombing?
City- 20 K civilians- 2 k ISIL, bomb em all????
Then bomb the rubble as well just to make sure.
 
JANFU said:
I just replied to Crue Cab - with this. Feel free to answer.
Are you for carpet bombing?
City- 20 K civilians- 2 k ISIL, bomb em all????
Then bomb the rubble as well just to make sure.
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What part of leave did you not understand in my initial post about the issue. Evac, destroy the air base. Pretty simple plan.
 
JANFU said:
I just replied to Crue Cab - with this. Feel free to answer.
Are you for carpet bombing?
City- 20 K civilians- 2 k ISIL, bomb em all????
Then bomb the rubble as well just to make sure.
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Are you a proponent of the regime's latest strategy which is a jobs program?
 
Surrounded and outnumbered, what should the Marines do? Attack in all directions.
 
 
apdst said:
Are you a proponent of the regime's latest strategy which is a jobs program?
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Nope- what parts of my question can you not answer?
 
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