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Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

What should President do about Marines surrounded at Al-Asad Air Base?

  • Order those US Marine flee like in Yemen

    Votes: 6 14.6%

  • Have those Marines surrender to ISIS forces

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • Have those Marines stay and fight it out on their own

    Votes: 1 2.4%

  • Send reinforcements and stand their ground

    Votes: 7 17.1%

  • Send reinforcements and attack ISIS

    Votes: 26 63.4%
  • Total voters
    41
Maybe it's just my view, but I suspect MANY - if not MOST - people agree.

IF we are going to militarily involve in another county in a battle/war context, we should do so as a massive, unstopped fast rolling destruction against all possible enemies whatever it takes short of WMDs - OR DON'T GET INVOLVED AT ALL.

These endless policing actions that go on for years and years, decade after decade - with an endless trickle of body bags and perpetually full hospital beds - and with a constant of lose of civilian lives too - is absurd and intolerable.

Either go to war - level ISIL/ISIS villages, towns and cities while on constant, unstoppable attack (for which civilians should evacuate and not our blame if they won't or the enemy uses them for shields) - until there are no safe haven's left - OR DON'T INVOLVE.

Our military are NOT free perpetual cops for other countries.
 
Grand Mal said:
Of course human shields are hostages. If they weren't, if they were complicate, they wouldn't be shields, would they? Just that they're not Americans. You wouldn't consider bombing American hostages but Syrians are just 'collateral damage'.
As for my ass, that argumentum ad hominem represents your back to the wall, laddybuck. If you've got nothing left, you're better off saying nothing.
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You are completely wrong historically. In war, it was never allowed to respect hostages as shields. Threats to destroy populations or entire cities if the attack was not stopped NEVER worked in WWII nor can it ever be allowed to work.

Your message is 100% false. If Germany or Japan had used civilians as hostages, slave labor etc, that did NOT stop bombing, artillery or even leveling the entire town. Civilians should get out of the path of armies. If one side prevents them doing so to use them as hostages, it is that side that is responsible for their deaths due to using them as shields and hostages.
 
joko104 said:
You are completely wrong historically. In war, it was never allowed to respect hostages as shields. Threats to destroy populations or entire cities if the attack was not stopped NEVER worked in WWII nor can it ever be allowed to work.

Your message is 100% false. If Germany or Japan had used civilians as hostages, slave labor etc, that did NOT stop bombing, artillery or even leveling the entire town. Civilians should get out of the path of armies. If one side prevents them doing so to use them as hostages, it is that side that is responsible for their deaths due to using them as shields and hostages.
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Oh yeah, sure, the citizens of Nagasaki, and Hiroshima, should have just gotten out of the path of the American nuclear bomb. If killing civilians can be justified anywhere, then god damn it, it can be justified everywhere, that's where that knuckle dragging mentality gets you!!
 
joko104 said:
You are completely wrong historically. In war, it was never allowed to respect hostages as shields. Threats to destroy populations or entire cities if the attack was not stopped NEVER worked in WWII nor can it ever be allowed to work.

Your message is 100% false. If Germany or Japan had used civilians as hostages, slave labor etc, that did NOT stop bombing, artillery or even leveling the entire town. Civilians should get out of the path of armies. If one side prevents them doing so to use them as hostages, it is that side that is responsible for their deaths due to using them as shields and hostages.
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WW2? Germany and Japan? What are you on about? That has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.
Here, let's get back on track- if ISIS had a bunch of American kids as hostages, would you bomb them?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
He has a sense of humor. Get over it.

The last guy in office couldn't even remember the punch line. All that coc and booze killed too many brain cells.
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Coke, booze and pot for this genius.

If you think he cares about anyone but himself, you're dreaming.
 
earthworm said:
Oh my god !!
Reinforcements , even up to 100,000 men .. with nuclear bombs .. even reinstate the draft ! Iraq is hopeless ..Partition this area into 3 sections one for the Kurds, one for the Shia, one for the Sunni ..
ISIS must be wiped out ..100% !
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Its not really about Iraq. First priority is protecting our soldiers. So that they can help Iraqs protect themselves.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Puff the Magic Dragon gunship works best for me. I think it's still in use?
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AC-130 is what you mean.

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Its a lost cause. As much as I am for a good fight and defeating evil. There is no win here no matter what.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Its a lost cause. As much as I am for a good fight and defeating evil. There is no win here no matter what.
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You think they should give up an air base?
 
joko104 said:
Maybe it's just my view, but I suspect MANY - if not MOST - people agree.

IF we are going to militarily involve in another county in a battle/war context, we should do so as a massive, unstopped fast rolling destruction against all possible enemies whatever it takes short of WMDs - OR DON'T GET INVOLVED AT ALL.

These endless policing actions that go on for years and years, decade after decade - with an endless trickle of body bags and perpetually full hospital beds - and with a constant of lose of civilian lives too - is absurd and intolerable.

Either go to war - level ISIL/ISIS villages, towns and cities while on constant, unstoppable attack (for which civilians should evacuate and not our blame if they won't or the enemy uses them for shields) - until there are no safe haven's left - OR DON'T INVOLVE.

Our military are NOT free perpetual cops for other countries.
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100% agreed.
 
If they can, they should retreat. Yes, they should flee.

If they can't do that, I have no doubt they can hold their own until reinforcements arrive. After that, they should leave.
 
joko104 said:
Essentially yes, though "carpet bombing" even with iron bombs is significantly more precise than in WWII nor would this have to be done from extreme altitudes or with B52s. This would give incentive for locals to resist ISIS/ISIL - or to evacuate the city - and give no advantage in seizing/conquering cities. There is no real alternative.
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Many have resisted.
Here is just one case.

BBC News - Jihadis accused of new massacres in Iraq and Syria

IS is also accused of killing 700 tribesmen opposing them in Syria's Deir Ezzor province, over a two-week period.
 
ironhorse said:
This is serious s*** and a Custer style massacre could be in the making. Obama needs to either get in or get out, this halfway half ass war on ISIS is a recipe for disaster.
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If ISSIS masses up in order to actually try and take the base our air power would pummel them.
 
WCH said:
Coke, booze and pot for this genius.

If you think he cares about anyone but himself, you're dreaming.
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Bush was a boozing fratboy dopehead until he turned 40 born with a silver spoon up his ass. Daddy always bailed him out and financed his failed businesses.

Obama didn't even come close that.
 
iliveonramen said:
If ISSIS masses up in order to actually try and take the base our air power would pummel them.
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Actually probably wouldn't even require that. If the positions are clear some well places ground based munitions would do the trick.
 
apdst said:
And then the infantry can go mop up what's left.
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True, because all the remaining Islamic State fighters will gather on the battle field to fight them.
 
Montecresto said:
True, because all the remaining Islamic State fighters will gather on the battle field to fight them.
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Or, they'll be retreating and we'll chase them down and kill them.
 
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