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Thread: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

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    I'd like to know who voted anonymously that the Marines should surrender.
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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Who on earth said surrender to ISIS needs to get their heads examined IMHO, you will be giving US military personnel as hostages to a bunch of morons that beheads hostages. Either airlift them out or send in more troops to protect the troops there and go on the attack and push ISIS back. Whatever you do, never ever hand your troops over to this kind of moronic enemies because you will see them go back in little pieces.
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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Explain how and use citation.
    As we are referring to carpet bombing, here ya go.
    Crimes of War – Summary of Crimes – International Criminal Court

    War crime of destruction and appropriation of property. Destroying or appropriating property protected under one or more of the Geneva Conventions of 1949 under circumstances where the destruction or appropriation is not justified by military necessity, such conduct taking place in the context of an international armed conflict.

    B. Serious Violations of the Laws and Customs Applicable in International Armed Conflict

    War crime of attacking civilians. Deliberately directing an act, the object of which is a civilian population or individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities, such conduct taking place in the context of an international armed conflict.

    War crime of excessive incidental death, injury, or damage. Launching an attack that would cause incidental death or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment that would be of such an extent as to be clearly excessive in relation to the overall military advantage anticipated, such conduct taking place in the context of an international armed conflict.

    Crimes of War – Indiscriminate Attack
    The point of this provision is to prevent an attacker from treating a whole city that contains not only civilians but also military targets as a single military target. The individual military objectives may still be targeted, with the possibility of collateral damage to civilians, but weapons must be aimed individually. What counts as sufficiently discriminate targeting is an important question of interpretation, in light of the physical constraints of weapons systems and the inability even with “smart” weapons to achieve perfect targeting. For that matter, there is not even a requirement that only smart weapons be used.


    Crimes of War – Indiscriminate Attack
    Military objectives are limited to “those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.” Although every instance of indiscriminate attack violates the law of armed conflict, it is equally the case where attacking a military target may cause collateral damage to civilians or civilian objects. If the harm to civilians is proportionate to the military advantage expected, the attack, other things being equal, is a legal act of war. If the harm is “excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated,” the attack is prohibited, whether or not indiscriminate. (Concrete means perceivable by the senses; direct means having no intervening factor.)

    Nearly every army has at some point carried out what today would be described as an indiscriminate attack. Examples include Germany’s V-II rocket attacks during World War II, the Allied “strategic bombing” and firebombing of Dresden and Hamburg, as well as the U.S. carpet-bombing during the Vietnam War. To curb the practice, Additional Protocol I prohibits an attack “by bombardment which treats as a single military objective a number of military objectives located in a city, town, village, or other area containing a similar concentration of civilians or civilian objects.”
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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    As we are referring to carpet bombing, here ya go.
    Crimes of War – Summary of Crimes – International Criminal Court

    War crime of destruction and appropriation of property. Destroying or appropriating property protected under one or more of the Geneva Conventions of 1949 under circumstances where the destruction or appropriation is not justified by military necessity, such conduct taking place in the context of an international armed conflict.

    B. Serious Violations of the Laws and Customs Applicable in International Armed Conflict

    War crime of attacking civilians. Deliberately directing an act, the object of which is a civilian population or individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities, such conduct taking place in the context of an international armed conflict.

    War crime of excessive incidental death, injury, or damage. Launching an attack that would cause incidental death or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment that would be of such an extent as to be clearly excessive in relation to the overall military advantage anticipated, such conduct taking place in the context of an international armed conflict.

    Crimes of War – Indiscriminate Attack
    The point of this provision is to prevent an attacker from treating a whole city that contains not only civilians but also military targets as a single military target. The individual military objectives may still be targeted, with the possibility of collateral damage to civilians, but weapons must be aimed individually. What counts as sufficiently discriminate targeting is an important question of interpretation, in light of the physical constraints of weapons systems and the inability even with “smart” weapons to achieve perfect targeting. For that matter, there is not even a requirement that only smart weapons be used.


    Crimes of War – Indiscriminate Attack
    Military objectives are limited to “those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.” Although every instance of indiscriminate attack violates the law of armed conflict, it is equally the case where attacking a military target may cause collateral damage to civilians or civilian objects. If the harm to civilians is proportionate to the military advantage expected, the attack, other things being equal, is a legal act of war. If the harm is “excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated,” the attack is prohibited, whether or not indiscriminate. (Concrete means perceivable by the senses; direct means having no intervening factor.)

    Nearly every army has at some point carried out what today would be described as an indiscriminate attack. Examples include Germany’s V-II rocket attacks during World War II, the Allied “strategic bombing” and firebombing of Dresden and Hamburg, as well as the U.S. carpet-bombing during the Vietnam War. To curb the practice, Additional Protocol I prohibits an attack “by bombardment which treats as a single military objective a number of military objectives located in a city, town, village, or other area containing a similar concentration of civilians or civilian objects.”
    Nothing there says that collateral damage is a war crime.
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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nothing there says that collateral damage is a war crime.
    Read it again. Read it when using carpet bombing as I mentioned, open the links.
    Lastly, I am not carrying your water.
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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Read it again. Read it when using carpet bombing as I mentioned, open the links.
    Lastly, I am not carrying your water.
    I read it and your own source specifically states that collateral damage is acceptable.
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I read it and your own source specifically states that collateral damage is acceptable.
    Depends now, doesn't it- It is a yes and no, dependent upon the situation. The reference I used was carpet bombing- show me where that is permitted because it ain't. Note where it mentions Germany during WW2
    Or would you prefer to admit it is a War Crime?
    Back to you.

    Crimes of War – Indiscriminate Attack
    Types of Indiscriminate Attack

    1. An attack that is not targeted at military objectives. (Damage to civilian property that is actually intended is known as wanton destruction, especially if it is wide-scale.)

    2. Use of weapons that are not able to be properly targeted.

    3. Use of weapons that have uncontrollable effects.

    4. An attack that treats an area with similar concentrations of military and civilian objectives as a single military objective.

    5. An attack that may be expected to cause harm to civilians or civilian objectives in excess of the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.
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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    I actually should have selected "send reinforcements and attack ISIS" but was too quick in my selection.

    With such a small force of ISIS fighters against 320 Marines, I would say the Marines are not surrounded but instead have ISIS right where they want them.

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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    I actually should have selected "send reinforcements and attack ISIS" but was too quick in my selection.

    With such a small force of ISIS fighters against 320 Marines, I would say the Marines are not surrounded but instead have ISIS right where they want them.
    The Iraqis are pushing to far and to fast.
    No way insurgents should be able to mass around a major base of operations such as this.
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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Depends now, doesn't it- It is a yes and no, dependent upon the situation. The reference I used was carpet bombing- show me where that is permitted because it ain't. Note where it mentions Germany during WW2
    Or would you prefer to admit it is a War Crime?
    Back to you.

    Crimes of War – Indiscriminate Attack
    Types of Indiscriminate Attack

    1. An attack that is not targeted at military objectives. (Damage to civilian property that is actually intended is known as wanton destruction, especially if it is wide-scale.)

    2. Use of weapons that are not able to be properly targeted.

    3. Use of weapons that have uncontrollable effects.

    4. An attack that treats an area with similar concentrations of military and civilian objectives as a single military objective.

    5. An attack that may be expected to cause harm to civilians or civilian objectives in excess of the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.
    Any attack that tarhets civilians is avwar crime, not just carpet bombing.

    However, an attacker isn't required to pass on attacking a target, because of civilians within close proximity. Collateral damage is acceptable, which is why we should be attacking ISIS targets relentlessly and without remorse.
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    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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