View Poll Results: What should President do about Marines surrounded at Al-Asad Air Base?

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  • Order those US Marine flee like in Yemen

    78 19.90%
  • Have those Marines surrender to ISIS forces

    78 19.90%
  • Have those Marines stay and fight it out on their own

    78 19.90%
  • Send reinforcements and stand their ground

    79 20.15%
  • Send reinforcements and attack ISIS

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Thread: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Once a marine always a marine! Hoorah!
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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Maybe it's just my view, but I suspect MANY - if not MOST - people agree.

    IF we are going to militarily involve in another county in a battle/war context, we should do so as a massive, unstopped fast rolling destruction against all possible enemies whatever it takes short of WMDs - OR DON'T GET INVOLVED AT ALL.

    These endless policing actions that go on for years and years, decade after decade - with an endless trickle of body bags and perpetually full hospital beds - and with a constant of lose of civilian lives too - is absurd and intolerable.

    Either go to war - level ISIL/ISIS villages, towns and cities while on constant, unstoppable attack (for which civilians should evacuate and not our blame if they won't or the enemy uses them for shields) - until there are no safe haven's left - OR DON'T INVOLVE.

    Our military are NOT free perpetual cops for other countries.

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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Of course human shields are hostages. If they weren't, if they were complicate, they wouldn't be shields, would they? Just that they're not Americans. You wouldn't consider bombing American hostages but Syrians are just 'collateral damage'.
    As for my ass, that argumentum ad hominem represents your back to the wall, laddybuck. If you've got nothing left, you're better off saying nothing.
    You are completely wrong historically. In war, it was never allowed to respect hostages as shields. Threats to destroy populations or entire cities if the attack was not stopped NEVER worked in WWII nor can it ever be allowed to work.

    Your message is 100% false. If Germany or Japan had used civilians as hostages, slave labor etc, that did NOT stop bombing, artillery or even leveling the entire town. Civilians should get out of the path of armies. If one side prevents them doing so to use them as hostages, it is that side that is responsible for their deaths due to using them as shields and hostages.

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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You are completely wrong historically. In war, it was never allowed to respect hostages as shields. Threats to destroy populations or entire cities if the attack was not stopped NEVER worked in WWII nor can it ever be allowed to work.

    Your message is 100% false. If Germany or Japan had used civilians as hostages, slave labor etc, that did NOT stop bombing, artillery or even leveling the entire town. Civilians should get out of the path of armies. If one side prevents them doing so to use them as hostages, it is that side that is responsible for their deaths due to using them as shields and hostages.
    Oh yeah, sure, the citizens of Nagasaki, and Hiroshima, should have just gotten out of the path of the American nuclear bomb. If killing civilians can be justified anywhere, then god damn it, it can be justified everywhere, that's where that knuckle dragging mentality gets you!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You are completely wrong historically. In war, it was never allowed to respect hostages as shields. Threats to destroy populations or entire cities if the attack was not stopped NEVER worked in WWII nor can it ever be allowed to work.

    Your message is 100% false. If Germany or Japan had used civilians as hostages, slave labor etc, that did NOT stop bombing, artillery or even leveling the entire town. Civilians should get out of the path of armies. If one side prevents them doing so to use them as hostages, it is that side that is responsible for their deaths due to using them as shields and hostages.
    WW2? Germany and Japan? What are you on about? That has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.
    Here, let's get back on track- if ISIS had a bunch of American kids as hostages, would you bomb them?
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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    He has a sense of humor. Get over it.

    The last guy in office couldn't even remember the punch line. All that coc and booze killed too many brain cells.
    Coke, booze and pot for this genius.

    If you think he cares about anyone but himself, you're dreaming.
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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Oh my god !!
    Reinforcements , even up to 100,000 men .. with nuclear bombs .. even reinstate the draft ! Iraq is hopeless ..Partition this area into 3 sections one for the Kurds, one for the Shia, one for the Sunni ..
    ISIS must be wiped out ..100% !
    Its not really about Iraq. First priority is protecting our soldiers. So that they can help Iraqs protect themselves.

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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    Puff the Magic Dragon gunship works best for me. I think it's still in use?
    AC-130 is what you mean.



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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Its a lost cause. As much as I am for a good fight and defeating evil. There is no win here no matter what.

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    Re: Marines being surrounded in Iraq?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Its a lost cause. As much as I am for a good fight and defeating evil. There is no win here no matter what.
    You think they should give up an air base?
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