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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Yes.


    Islam is a violent lunatic cult just as Christianity was in its more primordial days. Either way it should be opposed as should all religion. That said, Christianity is more advanced than Islam culturally and is what helped foster the miracle that is Western European civilization.
    I disagree. There have been times in history Christianity after it had been established was used by evil people for political gain of power. In the beginnings of Christianity more Christians were sent to heinous deaths than any other in history. One needs not look any further than Rome for that history lesson.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
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    Islam is a violent lunatic cult just as Christianity was in its more primordial days. Either way it should be opposed as should all religion. That said, Christianity is more advanced than Islam culturally and is what helped foster the miracle that is Western European civilization.
    At one point in history, the Arabic lands and peoples had the more tolerant laws and educated population, and the more advanced science and mathematics. Once the EU Dark Ages passed, with the influx of these more advanced ideas, it was Western culture that surpassed them. Kinda think they never got over that. Now these Militant Islamic Fundamentalists (and yes, I believe that this is the more proper and accurate term) want to go back to even before that time when they were more advanced, and want to drag the rest of the world down along with them.
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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I disagree. There have been times in history Christianity after it had been established was used by evil people for political gain of power. In the beginnings of Christianity more Christians were sent to heinous deaths than any other in history. One needs not look any further than Rome for that history lesson.
    Yeah, and the Jewish people came into existence and freedom by starting a war of conquest and genocide against the people who previously lived in the promised land. And their laws required stoning women to death when they weren't virgins anymore at wedding night. Yet I don't have the impression that Jewish people today are a particularly violent people.

    What's your point? How is it relevant what one or the other religion did 1400 years ago, for today's situation?
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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Yeah, and the Jewish people came into existence and freedom by starting a war of conquest and genocide against the people who previously lived in the promised land. And their laws required stoning women to death when they weren't virgins anymore at wedding night. Yet I don't have the impression that Jewish people today are a particularly violent people.

    What's your point? How is it relevant what one or the other religion did 1400 years ago, for today's situation?
    Your take on Jewish law is a bit perverted but that aside, it all started with Abraham and every major religion associates with Abraham. The problem for Islam, their claim to Jerusalem came thousands of years too late. My point is this....the prophet Mohammed was himself a militant/politician. Those acting in ISIS are doing so in the same barbaric way Islam was forced on other countries thousands of years ago. It's a new caliphate done in the old guard.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Your take on Jewish law is a bit perverted but that aside, it all started with Abraham and every major religion associates with Abraham. The problem for Islam, their claim to Jerusalem came thousands of years too late. My point is this....the prophet Mohammed was himself a militant/politician. Those acting in ISIS are doing so in the same barbaric way Islam was forced on other countries thousands of years ago.
    Okay, so you're basically saying "Islam is bad because my religion is better"?

    Yes, Mohammed was not just divine prophet, but worldly leader too. Kind of like Jesus and Emperor Constantine in the same person. But so was Moses. And although he didn't have a nation, but just a clan, Abraham was too.

    What I'm saying is just because a religion was violently spread at one time or another in the past, or had laws that appear barbaric by today's standards, doesn't allow conclusions how it's followers are going to behave a millennium later. There is no such rule as "once violent, always violent", when it comes to religions.

    I agree when you say that too many Muslims are stuck in the past and glorify all the wrong things about their past. But many don't, and it's certainly not some kind of historical requirement that Islam cannot be moderated by the wheel of history like other religions.
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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
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    I say yes. Terrorists IE the enemy should be identified by what they are and if terrorists were motivated by Christian extremism,Tea Party extremism or extremism by any other group the left despises they would be quick to point out the group.
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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    At one point in history, the Arabic lands and peoples had the more tolerant laws and educated population, and the more advanced science and mathematics. Once the EU Dark Ages passed, with the influx of these more advanced ideas, it was Western culture that surpassed them. Kinda think they never got over that. Now these Militant Islamic Fundamentalists (and yes, I believe that this is the more proper and accurate term) want to go back to even before that time when they were more advanced, and want to drag the rest of the world down along with them.


    Islam was not really solely responsible for the math and other advancements. It was a merger of Christianity, Islam and Judaism that created the advanced knowledge. It was only when Islam was allowed to be open in its short time in Europe was that it was ever sophisticated truly and even then that was due to the tolerant atmosphere of an alliance with Christians and Jews, not just Islam. Islam in its homelands has never been particularly sophisticated beyond a few ultra powerful elites and their small cadre's. Islam never created a vast, large educated population ever in its homelands. Never. It still has not done this to this day.


    Turkey is a "Wannabe secular Ultra Conservative society" that is only falling deeper into Islamic primordialism.

    Iran is a "Once great society that is now plagued by primordial Islam" and is on the same path as Turkey except worse so.

    Saudi Arabia is the epicenter of "Primordial Islamic Backwards Insanity" and will be smothered in violent Islamic revolutions in the future.

    Lebanon is lost and doomed by primordial Islam.

    Israel's very existence is on a set timer of inevitable unfathomable doom and mass death via being surrounded by Islamic primordialism that will get far worse in the future.

    Iraq as a country (which was always illogical geographically) is crumbling and will cease to exist in 50 years thanks to primordial Islam.

    Pakistan is a "Mass lunatic Society of Islam" and will be an even more horrifically awful Islamic cesspool of chaos in the future than it already is if that's even fathomable.

    Egypt and its oligarchy are fooling themselves. That country is doomed to Islamists and the Generals stalling of that fate is not sustainable long term. The Pyramids will be destroyed by Islamists one day.

    India is going to have civil nuclear war over Islam with Pakistan in the future. Hundreds of millions will die.

    Jordan is merely an oligarchy that "Buys Off" the Islamist clerics. It's a fake country for all intensive purposes.

    Yemen will break up.

    Saudi royals will be butchered by Islamists one day.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Okay, so you're basically saying "Islam is bad because my religion is better"?

    Yes, Mohammed was not just divine prophet, but worldly leader too. Kind of like Jesus and Emperor Constantine in the same person. But so was Moses. And although he didn't have a nation, but just a clan, Abraham was too.

    What I'm saying is just because a religion was violently spread at one time or another in the past, or had laws that appear barbaric by today's standards, doesn't allow conclusions how it's followers are going to behave a millennium later. There is no such rule as "one violent, always violent", when it comes to religions.

    I agree when you say that too many Muslims are stuck in the past and glorify all the wrong things about their past. But many don't, and it's certainly not some kind of historical requirement that Islam cannot be moderated by the wheel of history like other religions.
    Please don't put words in my mouth. I am only stating what history has shown. If you want to understand why a person believes what they do, you must seek out its beginnings. The spread of Islam started in a militant way. There is no denying that. Do I think all Muslims are evil. NO! But I do think there is a faction among them that is very dangerous and if not stopped will find the peace loving Muslims in jeopardy. I see it happening now, there are too many among them afraid to speak out...why? because they have seen what happens to those who do.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Well both Muslim and Islamic refer to their religion. There are millions of Muslims in the U.S. who practice their religion and are not terrorists and live here peacefully. What does religion have to do with anything?
    If you had 10 terrorist attacks and 9 of them were carried out by Muslims, wouldn't you think that piece of information would pertinent??
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