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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Perhaps you could enlighten me with a real argument instead of regurgitating leftist talking points.
    Okay:

    First the point I agree with you on: Islam, as it exists today, the way mainstream clerics and believers interpret it, is a problem. It was never tamed by age of enlightenment or liberalism, as Christianity and Judaism were (and arguably, Islam is more violent in the first place than at least Christianity). Because of that, way too large numbers of Muslims sympathize with islamist terrorism, and support measures and ideas that are in contradiction to our Western values.

    That said, moderate and modern interpretations of Islam do exist. Just that they're unfortunately much less numerous than in case of other religions (so far). As examples, I'd mention the Ankara School or the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat. Look them up if you want to learn more.

    And then, much more important: Just like in case of every other religion too, there is a damn huge number of Muslims who simply don't take their own religion very seriously, or even give a **** about it. You know, just like Christians who don't pray or go to church, except for weddings or funerals.

    Also, islamism (the ideology that drives terrorism in the name of Islam) is an ideology that is based on a very specific interpretation of Islam and incorporates many political demands and views. It is just as much a political ideology as it is a religious one, and it significantly differs from orthodox Islam or even mainstream Islam, even if the latter may not be without problems either.

    Lumping all these people together, as if Islam was the Borg collective, is extremely ignorant. And it doesn't help us finding solutions either. The only thing it will do is fueling hatred against Muslims in general, creating backlashs, and that's playing into the hands of the islamists.
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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    This may seems shocking to some, but I think outfits like Hezbollah and Hamas largely fit into this category. Both are without a doubt terrorist organizations who's members are most assuredly Muslim, but I do not consider them Islamist Terror Organizations as I do with ISIS. That is because their goals largely are focused very narrowly, and aren't threat to the West. I'm not a fan of either mind you, but it be a mistake to lump them in with the likes of AQ or ISIS.
    Not shocking based on previous posts. As long as they kill Jewish women and children you are fine with it. How do sites such as these get polluted by this type of slime.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think anyone committing terrorist acts are pretty much, by definition, radical.
    I was clearly referring to radical islamists, i assume you understood that?

    I guess we're on the same page in this discussion then.
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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    No I wasn't and I resent the accusation.
    Lighten up, X. You must have missed the at the end of my post. How would I know what you are thinking? Does it look to you like I have a crystal ball up my ass?










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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Lighten up, X. You must have missed the at the end of my post. How would I know what you are thinking? Does it look to you like I have a crystal ball up my ass?
    I can't tell while your head is so far up there.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post


    I guess the question people need to ask themselves here is why they feel it's important to understand what motivates their actions. All Terrorists commit heinous acts, whether they be motivated by religious, political, or ideological goals or whatever excuse they choose to use.

    Do some see Terrorist acts by Radicals as worse than those not committed by Radicals?

    I personally don't see one as worse than the other. I see all acts of Terrorisms as equally revolting.
    Yes, I agree with you.

    I once met a leftist girl who claimed Germany incarcerates "political prisoners". Huh? -- I asked what she meant. She names members of a leftist terror organization that had committed many murders and other attacks in the 70s.

    I found it disgusting how easily she'd argue away and justify their deeds. Murder is murder.
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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Lighten up, X. You must have missed the at the end of my post. How would I know what you are thinking? Does it look to you like I have a crystal ball up my ass?
    Well, no. But your dog certainly has something stuck in his mouth.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Well, no. But your dog certainly has something stuck in his mouth.

    Hey, it's Saturday night. Time to ease off a bit, I'm thinking.
    It's just X and me assing with each other. There's no there there.










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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    This may seems shocking to some, but I think outfits like Hezbollah and Hamas largely fit into this category. Both are without a doubt terrorist organizations who's members are most assuredly Muslim, but I do not consider them Islamist Terror Organizations as I do with ISIS. That is because their goals largely are focused very narrowly, and aren't threat to the West. I'm not a fan of either mind you, but it be a mistake to lump them in with the likes of AQ or ISIS.
    Not so sure about Hamas, but in case of Hezbollah, you perhaps indeed have a better chance of understanding the threat they're posing (and for whom) when you rather see them as a political terror group in favor of Shai Iran with mainly geopolitical goals, than a (usually Sunni) international islamist group with the goal of defeating and converting "the infidels".

    Doesn't mean any is morally better than the other. But you need different approaches to treat pestilence and cholera.
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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Not shocking based on previous posts. As long as they kill Jewish women and children you are fine with it. How do sites such as these get polluted by this type of slime.
    Did you happened to miss the part where I said, "Both are without a doubt terrorist organizations?"

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