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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Much of the unspeakable violence Islamic jihadists engage in is directly approved by the most orthodox texts in Islam--the Koran itself, and the haddith, the sayings of Mohammed which interpret and fledge it out. The 14th-century Reliance of the Traveller is the authoritative, officially approved statement of what shari'ah calls for in all aspects of life, and it specifically prescribes, for example, stoning to death for homosexuals and most adulterers. It also calls for Muslims to wage jihad against Christians and Jews.

    Many leftists in the U.S. and elsewhere loathe America and Western Civilization about as much as the Muslim jihadists do. So it's not surprising to see some of them constantly carrying water for the jihadists, invariably disguising their efforts as nothing more than protecting innocent Muslims from all those slack-jawed American "Islamophobes" who are out there in flyover country, clinging to their guns and Bibles. These leftists are the jihadists' natural fifth column in the West, just as the communists who were their philosophical forbears were a willing fifth column for international communism in the early years of the Cold War. These disloyal people were more than happy to take up space in America while working against it for Stalin's USSR. Nothing new under the sun.
    It really is quite striking how people can be so inept. "'Not every Muslim is a terrorist' -derrrrrrr" No ****, retard. That doesn't mean that Islam is a beautiful religion of peace. It just means that most people are born with an innate sense of right and wrong despite what their religion teaches.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    One more time, because I think our European buddies just don't quite get the big picture here:

    "Your assessment is wrong. Islam is a driver for terrorism because it creates a permissive environment for extreme ideology to flourish which leads the insane, mentally weak, or hopelessly socially inept to then become terrorists.

    It's a religion where it's perfectly fine to stone a woman for adultery, talking bad about the prophet is punishable by death (not just for believers, but ANYONE), and where anyone or place that isn't muslim is an enemy. Islam is the enemy, and the natural enemy of western liberal democracy and personal freedom. We import muslims and islam with our lax immigration policies to our own peril.

    This doesn't mean that most muslim people are 'evil' or 'violent', it means that the religion is a malicious cancer to freedom and that makes muslims dangerous."
    This is a pretty uninformed and generalizing opinion. But don't worry, many Americans are not good at differentiating.
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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    This is a pretty uninformed and generalizing attempt. But don't worry, many Americans are not good at differentiating.
    Perhaps you could enlighten me with a real argument instead of regurgitating leftist talking points.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Assuming there is such a thing as Christianity in general, I'd say yes. Simply because he acted in the name of Christianity and because non-Christians cannot support him and remain logically coherent.

    Just like no non-Muslim will ever deliberately fight in the name of Islam. That simply doesn't make sense.

    But just like in case of Islam, I'd say in the case of Phelps and Christianity too, choosing the religion in general as a broad identifyer, without differentiating any further, is not helpful at understanding and explaining the problem. You cannot fully understand Phelps' ideology just by reading the Bible. Just like you'd miss important elements of islamist ideology if you just read Quran.
    I don't want to derail the thread and I'd be happy to discuss it in detail somewhere else, it is a fascinating topic in my opinion. I would submit that religious extremists - under the name of any religion - are not practitioners of their stated religions. They merely use the guise of religion in an attempt to legitimize very earthbound human purposes and desires.










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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I'm afraid we're going in a circle here ... not sure where the problem is. I totally agree with you their actions are unjustifyable and crazy. All I want to know is if I have to shoot a rocket into an islamist camp or into a KKK office to get those who did it.


    I guess the question people need to ask themselves here is why they feel it's important to understand what motivates their actions. All Terrorists commit heinous acts, whether they be motivated by religious, political, or ideological goals or whatever excuse they choose to use.

    Do some see Terrorist acts by Radicals as worse than those not committed by Radicals?

    I personally don't see one as worse than the other. I see all acts of Terrorisms as equally revolting.
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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Assuming there is such a thing as Christianity in general, I'd say yes. Simply because he acted in the name of Christianity and because non-Christians cannot support him and remain logically coherent.

    Just like no non-Muslim will ever deliberately fight in the name of Islam. That simply doesn't make sense.

    But just like in case of Islam, I'd say in the case of Phelps and Christianity too, choosing the religion in general as a broad identifyer, without differentiating any further, is not helpful at understanding and explaining the problem. You cannot fully understand Phelps' ideology just by reading the Bible. Just like you'd miss important elements of islamist ideology if you just read Quran.
    I don't want to derail the thread and I'd be happy to discuss it in detail somewhere else, it is a fascinating topic in my opinion. I would submit that religious extremists - under the name of any religion - are not practitioners of their stated religions. They merely use the guise of religion in an attempt to legitimize very earthbound human purposes and desires.










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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post


    I guess the question people need to ask themselves here is why they feel it's important to understand what motivates their actions. All Terrorists commit heinous acts, whether they be motivated by religious, political, or ideological goals or whatever excuse they choose to use.

    Do some see Terrorist acts by Radicals as worse than those not committed by Radicals?

    I personally don't see one as worse than the other. I see all acts of Terrorisms as equally revolting.
    I think anyone committing terrorist acts are pretty much, by definition, radical.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    So Christianity is responsible for Fred Phelps?
    First, and most importantly, The original question was NOT "Is Islam responsible for individual (or groups) of terrorists?" That is a different question than "Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?"

    Secondly, I believe it is instructive and important to recognize Phelps as having been motivated by his religious viewpoints. My position is no different for Phelps as it was Bin Laden.

    Thirdly... Apples and oranges. Phelps was a jackass extraordinaire, but he never perpetrated the sort of violence we are seeing from these religiously motivated murders, bombings, etc.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I don't want to derail the thread and I'd be happy to discuss it in detail somewhere else, it is a fascinating topic in my opinion. I would submit that religious extremists - under the name of any religion - are not practitioners of their stated religions. They merely use the guise of religion in an attempt to legitimize very earthbound human purposes and desires.
    If that is so, are you opining that most governments in the M.E. are actually not Islamic? I think you just blew my mind.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    It just gets tricky in some cases. Say, you have a terror group somewhere in the Muslim World that fights for national independence, but also supports Muslim views. Is this secessionist or islamist terrorism then? You really have to know a lot about the exact motivation and demands of that group then, to answer that question. Even a terror group that's Muslim doesn't necessarily need to be islamist.

    And yes, I noticed that some militant opponents of religion sometimes blame entire religions for the actions committed by members of that religion, regardless which role religion really played in their motivation.
    This may seems shocking to some, but I think outfits like Hezbollah and Hamas largely fit into this category. Both are without a doubt terrorist organizations who's members are most assuredly Muslim, but I do not consider them Islamist Terror Organizations as I do with ISIS. That is because their goals largely are focused very narrowly, and aren't threat to the West. I'm not a fan of either mind you, but it be a mistake to lump them in with the likes of AQ or ISIS.

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