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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Al Qaeda = Freedom Fighters. Backed by maybe as much as one billion dollars by the US, trained in part by the US and favored by the US when Afghanistan was at war with the Russians they were our new bestest friends.

    Al Qaeda = Terrorists. Russians defeated, Al Qaeda turned its wealth, experience and organization on Muslim nations and then the west.
    Well, no conflict in my mind. I can't speak for how you or anyone else might see them.

    I would agree. Scum of the earth. Because they are Muslim? No.
    Ah, so even you and I can agree on whose a terrorist, I guess. Incidentally, did I ever, in any way, suggest that it was simply because they're Muslim?

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I totally agree with you.

    But in order to address the larger problem -- and if that's just identifying and prosecuting the respective terrorist group --, you need to know what kind of terrorism that is. I don't see that specifying the kind of terrorism somehow suggests it's more or less evil than another terrorist act, or that it's more or less justified. It only helps, and is a requirement, to understand the problem better.
    I get where you are coming from and i know a lot of people feel like you but for me there is no in between. The only thing to understand is that they are maniacs who choose to target civilians GG. To even attempt to understand any deeper than that is somewhat understanding/justifying their actions and there is never any justifiction for targeting non combatants.
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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    They're Terrorists, period. Insert whatever you want in front of the word Terrorist, it doesns't make them any more/less evil in my eyes.

    Terrorists aim to create fear for a religious, political, or ideological goal, and they deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants. Deliberately targeting, killing and injuring civilians is wrong. No excuses, no matter who they are or what beliefs they hold or excuses they attempt to use to justify the unjustifiable. I don't consider one group of terrorists more evil than the other. Probably because i view all civilian lives as equal and worth grieving over.
    I completely understand and I probably agree, but under your definition my country has committed acts of terrorism.










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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    I get where you are coming from and i know a lot of people feel like you but for me there is no in between. The only thing to understand is that they are maniacs who choose to target civilians GG. To even attempt to understand any deeper than that is somewhat understanding/justifying their actions and there is never any justifiction for targeting non combatants.
    I can't quite follow you here. Since when does understanding result in justifying? On the contrary, you *need* to understand before you can *fight* it.

    I mean, you have to know if a certain islamist attack was islamist, or else you'll end up raiding Timothy McVeigh's garage and look in the wrong place for the perpetrators.
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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    If the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists, then Islam can't be the driver for terrorism. By the way, what's the difference between a Muslim terrorist and an Islamic terrorist? The options in the poll are somewhat limited.
    Your assessment is wrong. Islam is a driver for terrorism because it creates a permissive environment for extreme ideology to flourish which leads the insane, mentally weak, or hopelessly socially inept to then become terrorists.

    It's a religion where it's perfectly fine to stone a woman for adultery, talking bad about the prophet is punishable by death (not just for believers, but ANYONE), and where anyone or place that isn't muslim is an enemy. Islam is the enemy, and the natural enemy of western liberal democracy and personal freedom. We import muslims and islam with our lax immigration policies to our own peril.

    This doesn't mean that most muslim people are 'evil' or 'violent', it means that the religion is a malicious cancer to freedom and that makes muslims dangerous.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by azgreg View Post
    Was Timothy McVeigh Muslim or Islamic?

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I voted "yes", but that was assuming that their terrorist acts are connected to their religion. As it perhaps is, in most cases. When someone commits an act of terrorism in the name of an islamist organization, of course his religion matters.

    But assuming there is a case a person who happens to be Muslim participates in a terrorist act with an entirely unrelated agenda -- say, for animal protection, or for communism --, then I don't think his religion matters. It would only result in false conclusions if his religion was emphasized, in that case.


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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    If we have evidence that the attackers are motivated to attack in the name of Islam, then it is patently foolish not to name that motivtion.

    Also information wants to be free.
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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    If the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists, then Islam can't be the driver for terrorism.
    That is a childishly obvious failure of logic. Really shameful in fact.

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    Re: Is it important that terrorists be identified as either Muslim or Islamic?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I can't quite follow you here. Since when does understanding result in justifying? On the contrary, you *need* to understand before you can *fight* it.

    I mean, you have to know if a certain islamist attack was islamist, or else you'll end up raiding Timothy McVeigh's garage and look in the wrong place for the perpetrators.
    Or your nation is attacked by 19 guys (15 were Saudi Arabians) who were Muslim, funded by Saudi Arabia, which is a Muslim nation and your nation retaliates by attacking Iraq, a Muslim nation that is not Saudi Arabia.










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