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Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

Should Undocumented Immigrants Be Eligible For Emergency Benefits?

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So you asked a question then said that anyone who answered a certain way was a "nutter."

That's just so classy.

The only ones who should ever receive healthcare services at the taxpayer's expense, and even then only indirectly, are those who are paid salary and benefits by the taxpayer... because they are a government employee. And we have far too many of those, in any event.

As a subset of the folks who aren't in that position, no, illegal aliens should not have healthcare services they request paid for by the taxpayer - they should pay for it. Charity is not the role of the state.
 
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radcen said:
If you were the leader of the home country, would you pay for that?
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They could be made to pay through reductions in foreign aid, etc. But we lack the political will to actually do the right thing so the American taxpayer will end up footing the bill.
 
clownboy said:
Illegal aliens are NOT immigrants, period. And we should stabilize them medically and deport. Longer term treatment is up to the host country.
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I couldn't have posted it any better.
 
Moon said:
They could be made to pay through reductions in foreign aid, etc. But we lack the political will to actually do the right thing so the American taxpayer will end up footing the bill.
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I understand the sentiment, and don't necessarily disagree with it, but it's short-sighted. Too much potential for strained relations over something relatively insignificant, and strained relations *could* have deeper and more significant affects. As such, I'd just suck it up and send them back on our dime. It wouldn't be emotionally satisfying, but it's a "pick your battles" kind of thing.
 
"Alien" and "immigrant", in this case, are pretty much the same thing. If you're going to argue over semantics like that, then you really don't have much of value to contribute to the conversation.
 
Sietske22 said:
Can you please provide a link to the Federal law?

Thanks.
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There's a link to the federal law included here Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Section 1325 in Title 8 of the United States Code, "Improper entry of alien", provides for a fine, imprisonment, or both for any noncitizen who:[61]

1.enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration agents, or
2.eludes examination or inspection by immigration agents, or
3.attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact.

The maximum prison term is 6 months for the first offense and 2 years for any subsequent offense. In addition to the above criminal fines and penalties, civil fines may also be imposed.
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radcen said:
Oh.. my.. effing.. God! From pretty much post #2 this thread has been nothing but intentional obtuseness and juvenile arguing of semantics. The question posed by the OP is a legit question. Any mature adult could've easily understood the intent of the question. Is it really that hard to give a legit answer?

Anyway, to deny person treatment is cold hearted. If that's how you feel then you suck as a member of the human species.

Even if we don't "owe" them anything, it's simply beyond selfish to deny necessary treatment. One person did make a point about stabilizing then deporting, and as stated I'm fine with that, but I sense that poster was thinking in M*A*S*H-like terms where you do some "meatball surgery" and send 'em out. That's a bit too extreme. Having said that, we wouldn't need to ensure a full recovery, either. There should be a happy-medium someplace.
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This is what they should receive and be evaluated under:
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As soon as they are stabilized and no longer an emergency patient they should be transferred to their host country. What medical care their host country provides at that point is up to them.
 
radcen said:
"Alien" and "immigrant", in this case, are pretty much the same thing. If you're going to argue over semantics like that, then you really don't have much of value to contribute to the conversation.
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We all know the value of semantics in the doublespeak that has been engineered to change minds in this issue. "Alien" and "immigrant" have very different meanings in this context.
 
clownboy said:
We all know the value of semantics in the doublespeak that has been engineered to change minds in this issue. "Alien" and "immigrant" have very different meanings in this context.
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C'mon now. You say they have different meanings in this context, then offer no definition? You can do better than that.
 
radcen said:
C'mon now. You say they have different meanings in this context, then offer no definition? You can do better than that.
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the law defines an alien, to be anyone who is not a natural born citizen or a naturalized citizen....hence crossing the border illegally, makes one an illegal alien.

someone can be a legal alien, if they are here and have legal documents.... for a purpose(1), here trying to become a citizen(2)


(1) a "non immigrant" is someone who is visiting america for work or pleasure and must leave within a specific time, people who come to america work or pleasure only and over stay their time, without contacting the federal government to solve that problem ... are reclassified.... illegal alien..... from legal alien.

(2) an "immigrant" is someone who via lawful channels is seeking to become an American citizen....
 
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TeleKat said:
Now, I think most people on both sides of the immigration debate can agree that undocumented immigrants should largely be ineligible for government benefits. But, how many people take the hardline on this? Would you consider emergency benefits to be an exception? For example, if an undocumented immigrant were to be shot or otherwise fatally wounded, would you support financial help to ensure they do not die?
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Stabilize the person enough to deport them back to their own country.
 
TeleKat said:
Now, I think most people on both sides of the immigration debate can agree that undocumented immigrants should largely be ineligible for government benefits. But, how many people take the hardline on this? Would you consider emergency benefits to be an exception? For example, if an undocumented immigrant were to be shot or otherwise fatally wounded, would you support financial help to ensure they do not die?
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Hospitals are already required by law to treat everyone. There's no need for illegal aliens to receive government money.
 
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