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Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

Should Undocumented Immigrants Be Eligible For Emergency Benefits?

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Sietske22 said:
Can you please provide a link to the Federal law?

Thanks.
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i am going to retract my former statement, because i cannot find the link i once used, i save all my important links,.... but since i dealt with this last time..... i have long since formatted my hard drive.

so i will take a hit from you and say you are correct...and i am wrong.
 
TeleKat said:
Not really. He knows tourists are not part of the discussion at hand. We are talking about people who travel here and live here. But, as usual, clownboy loves to erect his strawmen. And you love to cheer him on.
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Actually, I'm on your side. The US is a good hearted country, and as such, we should provide medical and basic care for those who make it into the country. That said, you did sort of walk into it.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Actually, I'm on your side. The US is a good hearted country, and as such, we should provide medical and basic care for those who make it into the country. That said, you did sort of walk into it.
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No I didn't. He was being intentionally dishonest.
 
ernst barkmann said:
i am going to retract my former statement, because i cannot find the link i once used, i save all my important links,.... but since i dealt with this last time..... i have long since formatted my hard drive.

so i will take a hit from you and say you are correct...and i am wrong.
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Does this help? Pg 1
https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/F...ted_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf
Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted,
i.e.,
illegal entry, is a misdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances.
8 U.S.C. § 1325
. But many undocumented immigrants do not enter the United States illegally. They enter legally but
overstay, work without authorization
, drop out of school or violate the conditions of their visasin some other way. Current estimates are that approximately 45% of undocumented
immigrants did not enter illegally. SeePew Hispanic Center,
Modes of Entry for the Unauthorized Migrant Population
[May 22, 2006]

http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/detained-illegal-reentry.html
 
JANFU said:
Does this help? Pg 1
https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/F...ted_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf
Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted,
i.e.,
illegal entry, is a misdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances.
8 U.S.C. § 1325
. But many undocumented immigrants do not enter the United States illegally. They enter legally but
overstay, work without authorization
, drop out of school or violate the conditions of their visasin some other way. Current estimates are that approximately 45% of undocumented
immigrants did not enter illegally. SeePew Hispanic Center,
Modes of Entry for the Unauthorized Migrant Population
[May 22, 2006]

If You're Detained For Illegal Reentry to the U.S. - AllLaw.com
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i think this one maybe better., because it breaks it down into a better understanding because it cover a wide range of things.

The Myth of the
 
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ernst barkmann said:
an illegal alien is a person who enters the US by subverting the immigration laws, and it is a felony.

people who travel to america on a work visa, or other US document, and over stay their welcome here is not a felony, however it is unlawful.
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Wrong. The term illegal alien includes people who entered the country legally on a visa and then stayed after the visa expired which is not a crime

http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/Inte...ration-Terms-and-Definitions-Involving-Aliens

Improper entry is a misdemeanor
http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/20...crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html

It is only a felony if someone tries to re-enter the country after being:
Denied admission to the U.S.;
Excluded from the U.S.;
Deported from the U.S.;
Removed from the U.S.; or
Departed from the U.S. while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding.
- See more at: http://immigration.findlaw.com/depo...rime-and-punishment.html#sthash.X5KBtoFo.dpuf
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ernst barkmann said:
reading US law can be long and slow, but i am going on memory, a person who is not an american is an alien, and those who seek to enter without proper documents are illegal aliens, all other aliens that enter on government documents, are classified as "non-immigrant"
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Wrong. Many illegal aliens are people who entered lawfully on a visa and overstayed. People who are here lawfully but are not citizens can be Lawfully Permanent Residents (LPR's)
 
sangha said:
Wrong. Many illegal aliens are people who entered lawfully on a visa and overstayed. People who are here lawfully but are not citizens can be Lawfully Permanent Residents (LPR's)
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you have stated i am wrong, and provided your own words.

what is the document you are using for the words.....

mine the the 1924 immigration law.......
 
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sangha said:
Wrong. Many illegal aliens are people who entered lawfully on a visa and overstayed. People who are here lawfully but are not citizens can be Lawfully Permanent Residents (LPR's)
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if you enter lawfully [visa/ work permit]..., you are a "non immigrant"..because the intent of expiration is to return to place of origin.

if you enter "illegally", you are an "illegal alien".....since you are not a citizen.
 
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Oh.. my.. effing.. God! From pretty much post #2 this thread has been nothing but intentional obtuseness and juvenile arguing of semantics. The question posed by the OP is a legit question. Any mature adult could've easily understood the intent of the question. Is it really that hard to give a legit answer?

Anyway, to deny person treatment is cold hearted. If that's how you feel then you suck as a member of the human species.

Even if we don't "owe" them anything, it's simply beyond selfish to deny necessary treatment. One person did make a point about stabilizing then deporting, and as stated I'm fine with that, but I sense that poster was thinking in M*A*S*H-like terms where you do some "meatball surgery" and send 'em out. That's a bit too extreme. Having said that, we wouldn't need to ensure a full recovery, either. There should be a happy-medium someplace.
 
Yes, but only if, following stabilization and treatment, they are given a quick trip back across the border. Saving their lives is one thing, they are still here illegally and need to be deported.
 
ernst barkmann said:
if you enter lawfully [visa/ work permit]..., you are a "non immigrant"..because the intent of expiration is to return to place of origin.
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Correct, if you enter lawfully on a work permit, you are a non-immigrant. However, there are people who enter lawfully on a visa with the intention (and assumption) of eventually becoming citizens. Those are Lawfully Permanent Residents. They are not citizens but they are not expected to leave. They are immigrants, not "non-immigrants"

if you enter "illegally", you are an "illegal alien".....since you are not a citizen.
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Yes, if you enter illegally, you are an illegal alien. But there's another group of illegal aliens - those who overstay on visas.

Your definitions are bit inaccurate and I am pointing out the deficiencies in your explanations. With both legal and illegal immigrants, you left out some people. In the first case, you left out those who are expected to remain here without any overstaying of their visas and with the latter, you left out those who overstay.

Also, you misrepresented the legal status of these people. They are not felons for simply overstaying a visa or crossing into the country illegally. Overstaying isn't a crime (though it is a deportable action) and crossing the border is not a felony, it's a misdemeanor. It's only a felony if you have previously been subjected to the removal process and ordered to not return.
 
sangha said:
Here

Immigration Terms and Definitions Involving Aliens

Illegal Reentry into the U.S. After Removal: Crime and Punishment - FindLaw

Is Illegal Immigration a Crime? Improper Entry v. Unlawful Presence - FindLaw Blotter

Consequences of Overstaying on a Temporary U.S. Visa - AllLaw.com
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what is the point?

anyone who is not a born US citizen, or naturalized citizen, is an alien.

anyone who enters the US, though non-check points, walking, a boat or plane... is an illegal alien.

anyone who visits the US, for work or pleasure via the law, is a "non immigrant", because of the time they are allowed to stay.

no one can be an immigrant, knowing they have a time constrain on their visa /work permit.

There are different categories of aliens, resident and nonresident, immigrant and nonimmigrant, asylee and refugee, documented and undocumented ("illegal").
 
sangha said:
Correct, if you enter lawfully on a work permit, you are a non-immigrant. However, there are people who enter lawfully on a visa with the intention (and assumption) of eventually becoming citizens. Those are Lawfully Permanent Residents. They are not citizens but they are not expected to leave. They are immigrants, not "non-immigrants"



Yes, if you enter illegally, you are an illegal alien. But there's another group of illegal aliens - those who overstay on visas.

Your definitions are bit inaccurate and I am pointing out the deficiencies in your explanations. With both legal and illegal immigrants, you left out some people. In the first case, you left out those who are expected to remain here without any overstaying of their visas and with the latter, you left out those who overstay.

Also, you misrepresented the legal status of these people. They are not felons for simply overstaying a visa or crossing into the country illegally. Overstaying isn't a crime (though it is a deportable action) and crossing the border is not a felony, it's a misdemeanor. It's only a felony if you have previously been subjected to the removal process and ordered to not return.
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i would say i could have been some what clearer.

i made it clear here.....over staying a visa is not a felony

people who travel to america on a work visa, or other US document, and over stay their welcome here is not a felony, however it is unlawful.
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crossing the border can be a felony the first time, it depends on the situation.
 
ernst barkmann said:
what is the point?
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The point is that your descriptions were inaccurate.

As far as the rest of your post, like the previous ones, some of the things you said were true while others were not. I'm not going to repeat what I've already said.
 
sangha said:
The point is that your descriptions were inaccurate.

As far as the rest of your post, like the previous ones, some of the things you said were true while others were not. I'm not going to repeat what I've already said.
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well you better, or you are wrong!
 
sangha said:
Thank you



No, the first time can not be a felony.



:lamo
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ernst barkmann said:
crossing the border can be a felony the first time, it depends on the situation.
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REALLY???????
BOY ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK STUIP NOW!


High Speed Flight from Immigration Checkpoint (18 U.S.C. § 758). Depending on how an illegal alien enters the United States, if he came across the border and evaded law enforcement at a checkpoint, he may have violated this statute. To violate this statute, the alien must be in a motor vehicle traveling in excess of the legal speed limit and must be fleeing federal, state, or local law enforcement officers. Such offense is punishable by a fine and/or imprisonment of up to five years

False Statement to Law Enforcement. When an illegal alien is stopped or arrested as part of an investigation, particularly if it involves one of the travel-based offenses listed above, it is not uncommon for the alien to make a false statement as to the alien's identity. Depending on circumstances and state law, false statements to a law enforcement officer may be considered a misdemeanor or a felony.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
REALLY???????
BOY ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK STUIP NOW!


High Speed Flight from Immigration Checkpoint (18 U.S.C. § 758). Depending on how an illegal alien enters the United States, if he came across the border and evaded law enforcement at a checkpoint, he may have violated this statute. To violate this statute, the alien must be in a motor vehicle traveling in excess of the legal speed limit and must be fleeing federal, state, or local law enforcement officers. Such offense is punishable by a fine and/or imprisonment of up to five years

False Statement to Law Enforcement. When an illegal alien is stopped or arrested as part of an investigation, particularly if it involves one of the travel-based offenses listed above, it is not uncommon for the alien to make a false statement as to the alien's identity. Depending on circumstances and state law, false statements to a law enforcement officer may be considered a misdemeanor or a felony.
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Yes, speeding and making a false statement can be felonies

Crossing the border?....Not a felony
 
sangha said:
Yes, speeding and making a false statement can be felonies

Crossing the border?....Not a felony
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you do not read property.....here is the "kicker" for you........"Depending on circumstances"

my statement....."crossing the border can be a felony the first time", it depends on the situation"

you will notice the law states in conjunction with illegal entry....again look at the law.

False Statement to Law Enforcement. When an illegal alien is stopped or arrested as part of an investigation, particularly if it involves one of the travel-based offenses listed above, it is not uncommon for the alien to make a false statement as to the alien's identity. Depending on circumstances and state law, false statements to a law enforcement officer may be considered a misdemeanor or a felony.

if you enter the US, and in doing so, give a false statement that can be a felony......

your problem is you read to quick, and to eager to jump on my statements...for instances....when you say, i stated, .........staying in the US over the time of a visa was a felony...which i did not say that...


false statement below by you

sangha said:
Also, you misrepresented the legal status of these people. They are not felons for simply overstaying a visa or crossing into the country illegally. Overstaying isn't a crime (though it is a deportable action) and crossing the border is not a felony, it's a misdemeanor. It's only a felony if you have previously been subjected to the removal process and ordered to not return.
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my statement:

ernst barkmann said:
people who travel to america on a work visa, or other US document, and over stay their welcome here is not a felony, however it is unlawful.
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TeleKat said:
An immigrant is someone who travels to another country....
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An immigrant is a person who travels to another country with the intent of staying and living there. I just travelled to Jamaica. I wasn't an immigrant.

If you're talking about travelers from other countries, I think we're obligated to provide emergency medical care without hesitation. If you're talking about illegal immigrants, I think we should provide emergency care (not benefits) until the person can either pay for his/her own benefits, or unfortunately we have to stop. We have our own citizens in this country who can't afford medical care and treatment.

I always think everyone who is in an emergency situation should get treated, regardless of citizenship or ability to pay.
 
Stabilize, then deported all at the person or home country's expense.
 
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