View Poll Results: Should Undocumented Immigrants Be Eligible For Emergency Benefits?

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Thread: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Stabilize, then deported all at the person or home country's expense.
    If you were the leader of the home country, would you pay for that?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    So you asked a question then said that anyone who answered a certain way was a "nutter."

    That's just so classy.

    The only ones who should ever receive healthcare services at the taxpayer's expense, and even then only indirectly, are those who are paid salary and benefits by the taxpayer... because they are a government employee. And we have far too many of those, in any event.

    As a subset of the folks who aren't in that position, no, illegal aliens should not have healthcare services they request paid for by the taxpayer - they should pay for it. Charity is not the role of the state.
    Last edited by JayDubya; 02-16-15 at 11:22 AM.

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If you were the leader of the home country, would you pay for that?
    They could be made to pay through reductions in foreign aid, etc. But we lack the political will to actually do the right thing so the American taxpayer will end up footing the bill.
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

    --Albert Einstein, 1929

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Illegal aliens are NOT immigrants, period. And we should stabilize them medically and deport. Longer term treatment is up to the host country.
    I couldn't have posted it any better.

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    They could be made to pay through reductions in foreign aid, etc. But we lack the political will to actually do the right thing so the American taxpayer will end up footing the bill.
    I understand the sentiment, and don't necessarily disagree with it, but it's short-sighted. Too much potential for strained relations over something relatively insignificant, and strained relations *could* have deeper and more significant affects. As such, I'd just suck it up and send them back on our dime. It wouldn't be emotionally satisfying, but it's a "pick your battles" kind of thing.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    "Alien" and "immigrant", in this case, are pretty much the same thing. If you're going to argue over semantics like that, then you really don't have much of value to contribute to the conversation.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Bates View Post
    What is an "undocumented immigrant"?
    "Undocumented immigrant" is political term for "Future Democrat Voters"

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Tourists don't live in the country they travel to.
    Yes they do. Then they go home.

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    Can you please provide a link to the Federal law?

    Thanks.
    There's a link to the federal law included here Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Section 1325 in Title 8 of the United States Code, "Improper entry of alien", provides for a fine, imprisonment, or both for any noncitizen who:[61]

    1.enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration agents, or
    2.eludes examination or inspection by immigration agents, or
    3.attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact.

    The maximum prison term is 6 months for the first offense and 2 years for any subsequent offense. In addition to the above criminal fines and penalties, civil fines may also be imposed.

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Oh.. my.. effing.. God! From pretty much post #2 this thread has been nothing but intentional obtuseness and juvenile arguing of semantics. The question posed by the OP is a legit question. Any mature adult could've easily understood the intent of the question. Is it really that hard to give a legit answer?

    Anyway, to deny person treatment is cold hearted. If that's how you feel then you suck as a member of the human species.

    Even if we don't "owe" them anything, it's simply beyond selfish to deny necessary treatment. One person did make a point about stabilizing then deporting, and as stated I'm fine with that, but I sense that poster was thinking in M*A*S*H-like terms where you do some "meatball surgery" and send 'em out. That's a bit too extreme. Having said that, we wouldn't need to ensure a full recovery, either. There should be a happy-medium someplace.
    This is what they should receive and be evaluated under:
    Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As soon as they are stabilized and no longer an emergency patient they should be transferred to their host country. What medical care their host country provides at that point is up to them.

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