View Poll Results: Should Undocumented Immigrants Be Eligible For Emergency Benefits?

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Thread: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Correct, if you enter lawfully on a work permit, you are a non-immigrant. However, there are people who enter lawfully on a visa with the intention (and assumption) of eventually becoming citizens. Those are Lawfully Permanent Residents. They are not citizens but they are not expected to leave. They are immigrants, not "non-immigrants"



    Yes, if you enter illegally, you are an illegal alien. But there's another group of illegal aliens - those who overstay on visas.

    Your definitions are bit inaccurate and I am pointing out the deficiencies in your explanations. With both legal and illegal immigrants, you left out some people. In the first case, you left out those who are expected to remain here without any overstaying of their visas and with the latter, you left out those who overstay.

    Also, you misrepresented the legal status of these people. They are not felons for simply overstaying a visa or crossing into the country illegally. Overstaying isn't a crime (though it is a deportable action) and crossing the border is not a felony, it's a misdemeanor. It's only a felony if you have previously been subjected to the removal process and ordered to not return.
    i would say i could have been some what clearer.

    i made it clear here.....over staying a visa is not a felony

    people who travel to america on a work visa, or other US document, and over stay their welcome here is not a felony, however it is unlawful.
    crossing the border can be a felony the first time, it depends on the situation.

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what is the point?
    The point is that your descriptions were inaccurate.

    As far as the rest of your post, like the previous ones, some of the things you said were true while others were not. I'm not going to repeat what I've already said.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The point is that your descriptions were inaccurate.

    As far as the rest of your post, like the previous ones, some of the things you said were true while others were not. I'm not going to repeat what I've already said.
    well you better, or you are wrong!

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i would say i could have been some what clearer.

    i made it clear here.....over staying a visa is not a felony
    Thank you

    crossing the border can be a felony the first time, it depends on the situation.
    No, the first time can not be a felony.

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    well you better, or you are wrong!
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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Thank you



    No, the first time can not be a felony.



    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post


    crossing the border can be a felony the first time, it depends on the situation.
    REALLY???????
    BOY ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK STUIP NOW!


    High Speed Flight from Immigration Checkpoint (18 U.S.C. 758). Depending on how an illegal alien enters the United States, if he came across the border and evaded law enforcement at a checkpoint, he may have violated this statute. To violate this statute, the alien must be in a motor vehicle traveling in excess of the legal speed limit and must be fleeing federal, state, or local law enforcement officers. Such offense is punishable by a fine and/or imprisonment of up to five years

    False Statement to Law Enforcement. When an illegal alien is stopped or arrested as part of an investigation, particularly if it involves one of the travel-based offenses listed above, it is not uncommon for the alien to make a false statement as to the alien's identity. Depending on circumstances and state law, false statements to a law enforcement officer may be considered a misdemeanor or a felony.
    Last edited by Master PO; 02-14-15 at 08:50 PM.

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    No I didn't. He was being intentionally dishonest.
    As you say.

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    REALLY???????
    BOY ARE YOU GOING TO LOOK STUIP NOW!


    High Speed Flight from Immigration Checkpoint (18 U.S.C. 758). Depending on how an illegal alien enters the United States, if he came across the border and evaded law enforcement at a checkpoint, he may have violated this statute. To violate this statute, the alien must be in a motor vehicle traveling in excess of the legal speed limit and must be fleeing federal, state, or local law enforcement officers. Such offense is punishable by a fine and/or imprisonment of up to five years

    False Statement to Law Enforcement. When an illegal alien is stopped or arrested as part of an investigation, particularly if it involves one of the travel-based offenses listed above, it is not uncommon for the alien to make a false statement as to the alien's identity. Depending on circumstances and state law, false statements to a law enforcement officer may be considered a misdemeanor or a felony.
    Yes, speeding and making a false statement can be felonies

    Crossing the border?....Not a felony
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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, speeding and making a false statement can be felonies

    Crossing the border?....Not a felony
    you do not read property.....here is the "kicker" for you........"Depending on circumstances"

    my statement....."crossing the border can be a felony the first time", it depends on the situation"

    you will notice the law states in conjunction with illegal entry....again look at the law.

    False Statement to Law Enforcement. When an illegal alien is stopped or arrested as part of an investigation, particularly if it involves one of the travel-based offenses listed above, it is not uncommon for the alien to make a false statement as to the alien's identity. Depending on circumstances and state law, false statements to a law enforcement officer may be considered a misdemeanor or a felony.

    if you enter the US, and in doing so, give a false statement that can be a felony......

    your problem is you read to quick, and to eager to jump on my statements...for instances....when you say, i stated, .........staying in the US over the time of a visa was a felony...which i did not say that...


    false statement below by you

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Also, you misrepresented the legal status of these people. They are not felons for simply overstaying a visa or crossing into the country illegally. Overstaying isn't a crime (though it is a deportable action) and crossing the border is not a felony, it's a misdemeanor. It's only a felony if you have previously been subjected to the removal process and ordered to not return.
    my statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post

    people who travel to america on a work visa, or other US document, and over stay their welcome here is not a felony, however it is unlawful.
    Last edited by Master PO; 02-14-15 at 09:47 PM.

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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    An immigrant is someone who travels to another country....
    An immigrant is a person who travels to another country with the intent of staying and living there. I just travelled to Jamaica. I wasn't an immigrant.

    If you're talking about travelers from other countries, I think we're obligated to provide emergency medical care without hesitation. If you're talking about illegal immigrants, I think we should provide emergency care (not benefits) until the person can either pay for his/her own benefits, or unfortunately we have to stop. We have our own citizens in this country who can't afford medical care and treatment.

    I always think everyone who is in an emergency situation should get treated, regardless of citizenship or ability to pay.
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    Re: Emergency Benefits For Undocumented Immigrants

    Stabilize, then deported all at the person or home country's expense.
    "I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."

    --Albert Einstein, 1929

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