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Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

Does Jeb Bush Have a Schiavo Problem?

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iguanaman said:
That creature had a head full of Jello and Jeb had no business overruling the courts, the doctors and her husbands wishes. The sickest thing is that those that wanted to keep that mindless body functioning were supposed to be religious yet did everything they could to prevent her soul from going to heaven. It shows how much they really believe. They would go to any lengths to play God but not trust in him.
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Theres a whole lot of people that fit that category. Shall we just start offing them?
 
Montecresto said:
I said Bush's.....plural. Even if I liked any of the Bush's, no more Bush's. Do you want a dynasty, or a democracy??

Are you finished with Clintons, or would you welcome another of them as well?

Don't be a partisan, be an American and support something new.
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It was a joke. Relax FFS.
 
What I find strange is that I (a social democrat and the opposite of a Bush supporter) is one of the few who think it is not such a big issue and most posters here think it is.

Why do you all think it will be such a big problem? Will it be a problem in the primaries with the other republicans or will it become an issue if he would possibly become the republican candidate?
 
pbrauer said:
Oh, Yes, this little story is sure to come back and bite his ass.

Don’t trust Jeb Bush with the power of the presidency

I was disappointed by Michael Putney’s Feb. 6 Other Views column about the legacy of Jeb Bush (First round goes to Jeb, Feb. 4). Putney writes that it was “doctrinaire liberals” who opposed Bush’s involvement in the tragic case of Terri Schiavo — my then-wife.

Who is Putney referring to as the “doctrinaire liberals” who were horrified by the former governor’s intervention in my family’s trauma? The Republican Attorney General Charlie Crist, who refused to take up the governor’s crusade? Republican Senate President Jim King, who fought Bush on passage of “Terri’s Law?” Pinellas County Judge George Greer, a Republican and Southern Baptist, who looked at the evidence of my wife’s case before having his rulings tossed aside by a governor who never met her?


Does he mean me, a registered Republican?


The truth about Jeb Bush is that he used my wife for his own personal political gain. You don’t have to be a doctrinaire liberal to be angry about that. In fact many conservatives were also horrified by Bush’s zealous intervention.


Read more here: Don’t trust Jeb Bush with the power of the presidency​
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Yes that is what the husband said, now try to get the real story.

See what the attorney for the wife's family has to say.
 
tres borrachos said:
He forgot to mention that the whole issue was that Terri's family - her parents - didn't want her to die. I know it was all about him and his family, but the person at the center of the story had a family too.

If people don't want to vote for Bush over this, then I'm sure Huckabee or Walker or Santorum will be happy to get their vote.
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It was the husband that got the courts involved in the first place in Florida. He didn't want to make a decision that could land him in jail, so he got the state involved. Now he is complaining the Governor got involved. A little too late at this point.
 
Superfly said:
I remember his getting involved, and thought even then that it was a political ploy to get votes. It was just awful, what he did. He should have stayed out of it, and left it to the family.
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The husband asked the state to get involved.
 
pbrauer said:
Oh, Yes, this little story is sure to come back and bite his ass.

Don’t trust Jeb Bush with the power of the presidency

I was disappointed by Michael Putney’s Feb. 6 Other Views column about the legacy of Jeb Bush (First round goes to Jeb, Feb. 4). Putney writes that it was “doctrinaire liberals” who opposed Bush’s involvement in the tragic case of Terri Schiavo — my then-wife.

Who is Putney referring to as the “doctrinaire liberals” who were horrified by the former governor’s intervention in my family’s trauma? The Republican Attorney General Charlie Crist, who refused to take up the governor’s crusade? Republican Senate President Jim King, who fought Bush on passage of “Terri’s Law?” Pinellas County Judge George Greer, a Republican and Southern Baptist, who looked at the evidence of my wife’s case before having his rulings tossed aside by a governor who never met her?


Does he mean me, a registered Republican?


The truth about Jeb Bush is that he used my wife for his own personal political gain. You don’t have to be a doctrinaire liberal to be angry about that. In fact many conservatives were also horrified by Bush’s zealous intervention.


Read more here: Don’t trust Jeb Bush with the power of the presidency​
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Remember that Nixon committed treason and was still elected, so if this is all you got on Jeb then his chances of winning are looking good.
 
Jerry said:
Remember that Nixon committed treason and was still elected, so if this is all you got on Jeb then his chances of winning are looking good.
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But that was in the age of slow news media. The time of slow commercial and before the internet.
 
Mason66 said:
The husband asked the state to get involved.
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Well, he had no choice from what I can remember. He wanted his wife to die from an infection (like a lot of vegetative patients die as I have been told). With the advice of his doctors he had decided to not treat the bladder infection and that would have let her die. But then her parents decided to put a stop to that and that is when I think they threatened to go to court and have him removed as the person who made the medical decisions about his wife.
 
Peter King said:
But that was in the age of slow news media. The time of slow commercial and before the internet.
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I'm not seeing how slow media has anything to do with the discussion. LBJ chose not to blow the lid off it. If LBJ had chosen otherwise, it would have been all over the news, internet or no internet.

...and there would have been a civil war, which is why LBJ chose not to.
 
Jerry said:
I'm not seeing how slow media has anything to do with the discussion. LBJ chose not to blow the lid off it. If LBJ had chosen otherwise, it would have been all over the news, internet or no internet.

...and there would have been a civil war, which is why LBJ chose not to.
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Really? Now campaigns that would take serious money and serious time to organize can now be done so quickly that it is ridiculous. With a smart internet campaign it is very easy to bombard the Bush campaign with negative video's about this subject. That is the power of the fast media, loads of full time news shows full of talking heads, tens of millions spent on a great number of commercials etc. etc. etc.

Now there are dozens of possible PAC's and with a small budget they can swiftboat the hell out of this subject if they want to.
 
tres borrachos said:
He forgot to mention that the whole issue was that Terri's family - her parents - didn't want her to die. I know it was all about him and his family, but the person at the center of the story had a family too.

If people don't want to vote for Bush over this,
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 then I'm sure Huckabee or Walker or Santorum will be happy to get their vote.
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I see Jeb Bush's last name as a much bigger problem. :roll:
 
Peter King said:
Really? Now campaigns that would take serious money and serious time to organize can now be done so quickly that it is ridiculous. With a smart internet campaign it is very easy to bombard the Bush campaign with negative video's about this subject. That is the power of the fast media, loads of full time news shows full of talking heads, tens of millions spent on a great number of commercials etc. etc. etc.

Now there are dozens of possible PAC's and with a small budget they can swiftboat the hell out of this subject if they want to.
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Speed of the media isn't relevant. There's a reason this is in the news now before the election cycle has even begun. It's the same reason the Lewinsky scandal was in the news before Hillary became a serious candidate. These stories are the politician's own campaign clearing the air.

If you think this story is an attempt to take out Bush then you don't know politics. This story was mos likely brought up by Bush supporters so that when stories like this matter, this story will be old news even in the context of an election; people on both sides just won't care anymore.
 
pbrauer said:
Oh, Yes, this little story is sure to come back and bite his ass.

Don’t trust Jeb Bush with the power of the presidency

I was disappointed by Michael Putney’s Feb. 6 Other Views column about the legacy of Jeb Bush (First round goes to Jeb, Feb. 4). Putney writes that it was “doctrinaire liberals” who opposed Bush’s involvement in the tragic case of Terri Schiavo — my then-wife.

Who is Putney referring to as the “doctrinaire liberals” who were horrified by the former governor’s intervention in my family’s trauma? The Republican Attorney General Charlie Crist, who refused to take up the governor’s crusade? Republican Senate President Jim King, who fought Bush on passage of “Terri’s Law?” Pinellas County Judge George Greer, a Republican and Southern Baptist, who looked at the evidence of my wife’s case before having his rulings tossed aside by a governor who never met her?


Does he mean me, a registered Republican?


The truth about Jeb Bush is that he used my wife for his own personal political gain. You don’t have to be a doctrinaire liberal to be angry about that. In fact many conservatives were also horrified by Bush’s zealous intervention.


Read more here: Don’t trust Jeb Bush with the power of the presidencyhttp://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/article9637031.html#storylink=cpy​
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This tells me that the left is seriously concerned about a Jeb Bush run for the Presidency.

If anything, this incident will benefit Bush rather than hurt him, but it will most likely be irrelevant to those who would consider voting for Bush.
 
iguanaman said:
That creature had a head full of Jello and Jeb had no business overruling the courts, the doctors and her husbands wishes. The sickest thing is that those that wanted to keep that mindless body functioning were supposed to be religious yet did everything they could to prevent her soul from going to heaven. It shows how much they really believe. They would go to any lengths to play God but not trust in him.
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That's very compassionate towards her parents. By the way, there are a lot of "creatures" in hospitals and hospices today whose heads are "full of Jello". Do you suggest we just terminate these "creatures" once and for all today?
 
CanadaJohn said:
This tells me that the left is seriously concerned about a Jeb Bush run for the Presidency.
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and with good reason
they have as their own presumed candidate a old woman with a LOT of baggage, nothing notable that she stands for - excepting to get elected - and no charisma
if mitt had waited until this election, it was his for the taking
the only way hillary can win is if the republicans puts up for election their own version of dukakis, gore, and kerry. and if the GOP is foolish enough and goes too far right to find THE candidate, it will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

If anything, this incident will benefit Bush rather than hurt him, but it will most likely be irrelevant to those who would consider voting for Bush.
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here's where i trust the American public at large
tell them the truth
have a sound reason for your decision
and they will give you a pass, even if they disagree
for instance, if bill had come out and acknowledged he diddled with monica, we would have said 'bless his ***** chasing heart' and thought little of the good ole boy having a little fun. while monica was no prize, bill having to go home to hillary would explain a lot the motivation for his dalliances
 
a351 said:
No, it'll be a complete non-issue in the 2016 campaign.
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Only if he decides not to run. It may be a non-issue in the GOP primaries as people will be lock-step, but it will be a nasty can of worms in the general election should he get the nomination. Euthanasia v. Obamacare death panels would pull no punches in the end, especially after MSNBC already has been fixated with pushing the message that people should pull the plug on Granny this year.
 
tres borrachos said:
He forgot to mention that the whole issue was that Terri's family - her parents - didn't want her to die. I know it was all about him and his family, but the person at the center of the story had a family too.

If people don't want to vote for Bush over this, then I'm sure Huckabee or Walker or Santorum will be happy to get their vote.
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I think that if you don't like Bush's involvement in that case, Huckabee or Santorum wouldn't exactly be your candidate either.
 
rocket88 said:
I think that if you don't like Bush's involvement in that case, Huckabee or Santorum wouldn't exactly be your candidate either.
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Exactly. I was being sarcastic but that doesn't always come across on internet posts.;)

I don't think this is going to hurt Bush at all is what I was saying. If you are vehemently against what he did, you probably weren't going to vote for him anyway. And you won't vote for Santorum, Huckabee, Walker, etc.
 
Peter King said:
Well, he had no choice from what I can remember. He wanted his wife to die from an infection (like a lot of vegetative patients die as I have been told). With the advice of his doctors he had decided to not treat the bladder infection and that would have let her die. But then her parents decided to put a stop to that and that is when I think they threatened to go to court and have him removed as the person who made the medical decisions about his wife.
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Her body was kept functioning for nearly EIGHT YEARS after she was declared brain dead. The cause was she had gone onto a hyper diet only drinking ice tea. It was ONLY after that nearly 8 years her husband asked life support be discontinued.

At that point, Jeb Bush became a radical life-death control freak - and telling any lie to do so such as accusing her husband of causing her health collapse and of wanting life support ended to cover up the murder, though the cause of death had been known the entire time.

Jeb Bush decided that he wasn't government, but dictator, defying courts and the legislature (both Republican) pursuing becoming the darling of the right-to-life crows and with Sean Hannity raging that her husband was trying to outright murder her. Bush also found a hack doctor who literally had never examined her declaring she wasn't brain dead, unlike the 8 experts who had examined her.

Jeb Bush in this ran the family thru hell with a massive pack of lies and with non-stop attacks against her husband, this all then diverting for the corruptions of his past and his administration.

Finally, 13 YEARS after she was declared brain dead were the tubes removed. An autopsy showed she essentially had no brain left and her bones basically dissolved away.
 
tres borrachos said:
That's very compassionate towards her parents. By the way, there are a lot of "creatures" in hospitals and hospices today whose heads are "full of Jello". Do you suggest we just terminate these "creatures" once and for all today?
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I don't think it was really about that though. It was more about who gets to be the medical proxy of an adult woman - her husband or her parents? Personally I'd rather have even my ex-wife make that kind of decision than my mother. For all of her faults and all she's put me through I'd like to think that she'd put my wishes ahead of her own.
 
tres borrachos said:
Exactly. I was being sarcastic but that doesn't always come across on internet posts.;)

I don't think this is going to hurt Bush at all is what I was saying. If you are vehemently against what he did, you probably weren't going to vote for him anyway. And you won't vote for Santorum, Huckabee, Walker, etc.
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Bush's involvement wasn't all that bad anyway. What I found laughable was when Sen. Bill Frist - a doctor - made a "diagnosis" based on years old videotape.
 
rocket88 said:
I don't think it was really about that though. It was more about who gets to be the medical proxy of an adult woman - her husband or her parents? Personally I'd rather have even my ex-wife make that kind of decision than my mother. For all of her faults and all she's put me through I'd like to think that she'd put my wishes ahead of her own.
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I don't like his post calling her a "creature". She wasn't a creature.

As a parent myself, I can fully understand how her parents felt. Not saying I'd do what they did, but I also don't agree that their opinions should be discounted completely.

I would rather my parents make a medical decision on my behalf than my husband who I've been with since we were both 18.

I'm not and never was convinced that Schiavo's husband really knew her wishes, and the quick way in which he moved on made me question him really having her long term best interest at heart.
 
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