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Thread: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Wasnt her husband the guy that was really upset that the money from a medical malpractice suit was going for her actual care and not his wallet?

    Oh man...the flea circus that we are about to be exposed to for the next 2 years.......
    Her brain had atrophied to the size of a walnut, she was being kept on life support despite being clinically brain dead. Jeb Bush, along with conservatives in congress, intervened in what was a private medical matter in order to appease the religious right.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't like his post calling her a "creature". She wasn't a creature.

    As a parent myself, I can fully understand how her parents felt. Not saying I'd do what they did, but I also don't agree that their opinions should be discounted completely.

    I would rather my parents make a medical decision on my behalf than my husband who I've been with since we were both 18.

    I'm not and never was convinced that Schiavo's husband really knew her wishes, and the quick way in which he moved on made me question him really having her long term best interest at heart.
    EIGHT YEARS after she was declared brain dead is "quick?"

    Her parents were furious because he refused to give them a portion of a $2 million malpractice judgment, although they were not entitled to a penny of it. As for the husband, he had taken her to the best experts in the country to try to revive her and spent a fortune doing so.

    The Bush machine along with Hannity on FOX - a DECADE after her declared brain dead by EVERY medical expert - engaged in a massive campaign of lies targeting the husband. Tell a lie long enough and enough times and people believe it. That is the basis of your message too.

    There was nothing quick about any of this. It was dragged on for 13 years AFTER she was brain dead.

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Her brain had atrophied to the size of a walnut, she was being kept on life support despite being clinically brain dead. Jeb Bush, along with conservatives in congress, intervened in what was a private medical matter in order to appease the religious right.
    AS I said...there are a lot of people on the planet today that meet that category (some of them post on this site). Should we kill all of them for the greater good?

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's very compassionate towards her parents. By the way, there are a lot of "creatures" in hospitals and hospices today whose heads are "full of Jello". Do you suggest we just terminate these "creatures" once and for all today?
    If God forbid I was ever hospitalized with a brain injury so severe that my brain had atrophied to the size of a walnut, then the last people I would want making medical decisions on my behalf would be my parents. My wife would know my wishes in such an event (that I be taken off all life sustaining support), and I would want her to be making the decisions regarding that. As a parent myself, I think the problem in such a horrible situation is you are not going to be rational at all. One of the biggest reasons I would want my wife making the decisions is that in such a case if there was a settlement, I would want that money going to my wife and kids, not towards paying for long term life support for my brain dead body.

    The worst scenario imaginable would be for my state's governor, members of the statehouse, or congress to get involved in what would be a private medical matter.

    Moreover, yes this would hurt Jeb in a national election because nothing scares off moderate voters like a politician being shown as being too friendly with the religious right.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    AS I said...there are a lot of people on the planet today that meet that category (some of them post on this site). Should we kill all of them for the greater good?
    If it is their wish, as expressed to their spouse, to not be kept alive on life support if they are brain dead, then they should not be kept alive and the government sure as hell doesn't need to be getting involved in it.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    No one will care. Those who will try to make a deal of it would never have voted for Jeb anyway.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    If it is their wish, as expressed to their spouse, to not be kept alive on life support if they are brain dead, then they should not be kept alive and the government sure as hell doesn't need to be getting involved in it.
    What if it is their wish expressed by a bitter angry hate filled little man like her husband but not that of her entire family?

    I assume since this all 'matters' to you, you followed it while it was playing out...right? Which side came across as loving and caring and with her best interest at heart and which side came across as being pissed they couldnt keep the money and marry their new squeeze and didnt at all present as if they actually gave half a **** about her or anyone else but what HE wanted ?

    Hmmmm...I think that question MAY be a little bit biased and leading...

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    and with good reason
    they have as their own presumed candidate a old woman with a LOT of baggage, nothing notable that she stands for - excepting to get elected - and no charisma
    if mitt had waited until this election, it was his for the taking
    the only way hillary can win is if the republicans puts up for election their own version of dukakis, gore, and kerry. and if the GOP is foolish enough and goes too far right to find THE candidate, it will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory


    here's where i trust the American public at large
    tell them the truth
    have a sound reason for your decision
    and they will give you a pass, even if they disagree
    for instance, if bill had come out and acknowledged he diddled with monica, we would have said 'bless his pussy chasing heart' and thought little of the good ole boy having a little fun. while monica was no prize, bill having to go home to hillary would explain a lot the motivation for his dalliances
    To your former point, I believe this is why the MSM seem to promote stories and exposure for those on the extreme like Cruz. Ted Cruz has zero chance of being the Republican nominee, yet the media promotes him as such in the hope of drawing support to him, getting him in the race as a suicide bomber, and promoting, as you say, a GOP death spiral that takes down whomever the nominee may be. Conversely, the MSM never mentions any other potential candidates for the Democrat nomination. It's remarkable, in my view, that Biden never gets a whimper of exposure as a candidate when he's an obvious leading candidate.

    To your latter point, that's bang on. Nothing is lost when you are comfortable with your policy positions and can rationalize them in simple, easy to follow terms. Trying to hide them or avoid them only gets you in trouble.

    Hillary Clinton can't possibly win a Presidential race against Jeb Bush unless the media is successful in destroying him first and having the nuts in the GOP assist in that hatchet job is all the better for them.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Only if he decides not to run. It may be a non-issue in the GOP primaries as people will be lock-step, but it will be a nasty can of worms in the general election should he get the nomination. Euthanasia v. Obamacare death panels would pull no punches in the end, especially after MSNBC already has been fixated with pushing the message that people should pull the plug on Granny this year.
    Think of the possible damage to the Democrat's front benches if euthanasia or death panels were legal - Clinton, Biden, Sanders, even Warren would be in the front of the line for disposal any day now.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Think of the possible damage to the Democrat's front benches if euthanasia or death panels were legal - Clinton, Biden, Sanders, even Warren would be in the front of the line for disposal any day now.
    We are all standing in a queue.

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