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Thread: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He's much more popular now.
    People like Bushes better when they leave office.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You don't think there will be some TV ads helping the average American voter remember?
    I really don't think those ads would be that effective.

    Ads bringing up Benghazi and Obamacare didn't work for Romney, Ads about Skull and Bones and Bush going AWOL didn't work for Kerry, Whitewater and numerous sexual allegations didn't hurt Clinton, Iran Contra did no lasting damage to Reagan or his legacy, right on down the line. people simply don't give a s*** about things like this. right or wrong. this will be a one week commercial and then off to the next controversy
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You don't think there will be some TV ads helping the average American voter remember?
    I very much hope there are such ads. Dems will be hooted down for exploiting a family tragedy for political gain.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You and others brought into the discussion the motivation of the parents. I certainly can understand the motivations of the parents as I am a parent as well. However, its an abuse of office for a governor or congress to get involved in a personal medical issue that should was settled in the courts.
    Because the link in the OP, if you remember reading it, presented a single side to the story - her husband's - and used that as a "Jeb Bush is bad for the Presidency" claim. There was another side to the story - her parents'. This wasn't as simple as the OP laid it out to be.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I can't say I see this as personal to Bush so much as taking action as a Governor, applying the law in his state as it existed, but I don't know all the details and based on some of the comments here in this thread I don't know if many of us really do know all the details - seems pretty contentious from both sides.
    no law authorized Jeb to intervene in any way until the Florida appeals court ordered the case closed and the feeding tube removed, in the span of one day the Florida legislature passed a law giving Jeb the right to intervene, and the next day Florida state troopers were pulling what had previously been Terri Shaivo out of the hospice and took her to another hospital to have the tube reinserted.

    it was a law created at his request for a specific cause celebe.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I very much hope there are such ads. Dems will be hooted down for exploiting a family tragedy for political gain.
    How did he Democrats exploit the family tragedy?


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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    How did he Democrats exploit the family tragedy?
    Future tense. If they run such ads they will be doing just that.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good afternoon Lady P - enjoying our frosty February??

    I can't imagine Obama doing anything to help anyone else electorally. He is strictly, solely, interested in himself. As such, he couldn't care less what the fallout may be from anything he does so long as he has notoriety, good or bad.

    As for living a certain lifestyle after leaving office, for reasons related to him personally and reasons beyond his control, I fully expect that the costs to the US Treasury in protecting and traveling with the Obamas will be the most expensive after Presidency bills ever paid and he'll make the Clintons look like pikers on the speaking tours. There'll be no tag days for the Obamas, guaranteed.
    : Vacations for the POTUS and his family are paid for by the taxpayers, but after 2016 he will no longer be POTUS, so it will be interesting to see how that will be handled as far as cost of travel and lodging are concerned. I just can't see him standing in line waiting to board a plane at some airport, nor checking in at some motel. The cost of flying Air Force One is roughly $181,000 per hour. There is also the cost of the second plane that accompanies AF One. Salaries of the personnel assigned to protect those on board are not included in the $181,000, to my knowledge, but I'm not sure of that.

    Of course there will be a new POTUS using the plane in 2017, so those costs will continue. But all ex-Presidents and their families are protected for life by the Secret Service, so nothing new there. Campaign organizations supposedly reimburse the Treasury for any political trips on AF One by the POTUS to make speeches, etc, but not for Ex-Presidents flying on a private plane, since any fees for speaking are paid directly to him.

    Therefore, I won't be surprised to see some changes requested by him in the next two years on how his future travel expenses are handled [when he is no longer POTUS], but I do expect to see some.

    And for the record, as far as the weather is concerned, I am very close to hiding out in Houston for a few months - or even going further South to some country like Australia or , New Zealand, where it's Summertime now. It's in the high 70s in Brisbane! Nuts to waking up to -6 degrees on the thermometer here!

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yes, and irrelevant to the story at hand.
    No, not irrelevant because look at the issue with Kerry and the swift boat, it was became possibly relevant. And if some smart democratic strategist and one or more PAC's start attacking Bush with internet video's that would never make it on TV, that would make a possible problem for Bush.

    I do not think it will happen, but if can happen and if done successfully it may damage his chances with people who disagreed with the governmental overreach of the Schiavo case. The new media can help spread that story through internet video's, mass emails to voters, etc. etc.

    Because in the time of Nixon there were no super-pacs to spread this message out over the internet. There were no internet newspapers, liberal websites, conservative websites, etc. etc. etc.

    The new media has become a game changer and it could happen in this case. I do not think it will become a big issue but with a concerted campaign it could become an issue. For example if such a media campaign starts and Bush (which I do not think he will) gives out a mea culpa and says he made a mistake getting involved in this case, hard core republican pro-life candidates would come out of the woodwork saying that Bush is not to be trusted to protect the lives of the innocents and that they would never stand for such a thing.

    Or if Bush goes all hardcore and defends his overreach into the life of a citizen of the United States then democratic PAC's and democratic candidates can attack him on his willingness to interfere in the civil rights of people and that Bush cannot be trusted.

    Just because it is a generalized statement and that I personally do not think it will become an issue, does not change the fact that it can become an issue. And IMHO it will become an issue much faster in this day and age with the internet, emails, pacs, youtube, etc. etc. than that it would have become an issue in the Nixon, Reagan or even Bush 1's time.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    I don't think so.

    I think for something to rock a campaign it has to has some sort of "newness" to it. It can't be something that was talked about constantly for months in the national news.
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