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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Superfly.

    I recall seeing her hug her parents when they visited, which meant she recognized them. At what point in her hospital stay this occurred I don't know. Perhaps it was early on in her long ordeal. I read somewhere, though, that if you are subjected to constant thoughts by someone who wished you dead, it can harm you, since your subconscious would pick up on that, and I think that's possible. Who knows?
    You are as bad as those parents, what you saw was nothing of the sort. Terry was blind and unconscious since the "incident"
    The autopsy proved that her brain was irreversibly damaged just as all the doctors had told them years before. I can't believe you admire the parent's for dragging that poor women and her husband thru the muck like they did. It is one thing to love your children but refusing to admit they are gone is not a virtue it is a failing.

    However, doctors said her reactions were automatic responses and not evidence of thought or consciousness, and Thogmartin’s report went farther.

    “The brain weighed 615 grams, roughly half of the expected weight of a human brain,” he said. “This damage was irreversible, and no amount of therapy or treatment would have regenerated the massive loss of neurons.”
    Schiavo autopsy shows irreversible damage - US news | NBC News
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Btw, unless the right gets together and decides that Bush is their best answer to Clinton or whoever the front runner ends up being on the left, this is the kind of thing that could get him in the primary.
    Things are starting to really heat up here in NH. Jeb is still not considered a forerunner here, but then again nobody really knows him here, and his brother didn't win our primary in 2000 (McCain did). NH is a pretty moderate state, definitely socially liberal and right leaning fiscally. Not sure how Jeb will do up here. I want to meet him, but right now if I had to vote, I don't think I'd vote for him. I watch Morning Joe on MSNBC and Scarborough has been talking up Jeb for years, and all that time I just kind of ignored it.

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Things are starting to really heat up here in NH. Jeb is still not considered a forerunner here, but then again nobody really knows him here, and his brother didn't win our primary in 2000 (McCain did). NH is a pretty moderate state, definitely socially liberal and right leaning fiscally. Not sure how Jeb will do up here. I want to meet him, but right now if I had to vote, I don't think I'd vote for him. I watch Morning Joe on MSNBC and Scarborough has been talking up Jeb for years, and all that time I just kind of ignored it.

    I'm still pouting because Huntsman won't run again in 2016.
    It would seem to me that NH being as you described it, that Bush would be their kind of guy, those on the right that is. Jeb being a little to the left of his brother, it seems.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem to me that NH being as you described it, that Bush would be their kind of guy, those on the right that is. Jeb being a little to the left of his brother, it seems.
    GW wasn't well received up here. He did win the state in 2000 in the general election, but he lost the primary like I said to McCain. I think Bush lost the 2000 primary by damn near 20 points, too.

    The right leaners in this state tend to be social moderate/liberals and fiscal conservatives. George W Bush was none of these things.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Things are starting to really heat up here in NH. Jeb is still not considered a forerunner here, but then again nobody really knows him here, and his brother didn't win our primary in 2000 (McCain did). NH is a pretty moderate state, definitely socially liberal and right leaning fiscally. Not sure how Jeb will do up here. I want to meet him, but right now if I had to vote, I don't think I'd vote for him. I watch Morning Joe on MSNBC and Scarborough has been talking up Jeb for years, and all that time I just kind of ignored it.

    I'm still pouting because Huntsman won't run again in 2016.
    There's a 95% chance that Jeb will be the GOP nominee. So you might as well get used to it. You might not know it but Jeb's stance on illegals is what the party wants and what they want they will get. The GOP leadership is simply being practical, they know it will be impossible to win national elections without the Latino vote. Will this create a big stink with primary voters? Most certainly but that won't change a thing. Jeb has gotten the blessing of the leadership and Rove and they know how to get things done.

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, tres borrachos.

    If I recall, it was her parents who wanted her to be kept alive, because she was somewhat cognizant and aware of things, and I can't say I fault them. Her husband was the one who wanted to pull the plug, and we later learned his motivations! It became a case of family in-fighting which went to court, and Florida decided on the side of keeping her alive. She had not committed a crime - why should the State be put in the position of being the executioner of someone who had done nothing wrong? If I were Jeb Bush, I would have made the same decision! Miracles may not be commonplace, but they do occur!
    This is what a mean that there was a campaign of lies against the husband, about her and about her parents - and now people like you recite those as facts, when the are lies.

    It was first a guardian ad litum for her who agreed to discontinue the pointless forced preservation of her body. The court decided exactly opposite what you posted.

    And you lie on behalf of the parents. They 100% agreed with her husband being in charge and agreed with him on everything UNTIL there was a malpractice court judgment. They demanded he give them part of the judgment and he refused. It was then and only then they opposed life support machines be turned off - this years later.

    What the parents wanted, their motive, was clear. There was a $750,000 trust set up Terry Shiavo. They wanted her husband to divorce so he could remarry - and then THEY would inherit them money. Otherwise they wouldn't. It was nearly EIGHT years before they disagreed because now there was money at stake for them. Of course, you left that truth our too.

    It is a 100% lie that "she was somewhat cognizant and aware of things." In fact, her brain had nearly completely dissolved away, which not only was confirmed by EIGHT experts, but also then confirmed at her autopsy. The motive of her parents to lie was simple, MONEY.

    Anyway, just keep posting what are outright lies diametrically opposite from the truth if that makes you feel good or matches your partisan support of Jeb Bush.

    I think it is was absolutely despicable and a total abuse of power that for THIRTEEN YEARS her brain dead body was rotting away as her parents tried to find anyway to make money off her and then to gain favor Jeb Bush concocted massive lies at ever level, defying what the doctors, the guardian ad litum appointed for her and what the courts ruled by which Jeb Bush declared that he, only he and no one else, can ever decide whether or not to discontinue life support on a brain dead person. I can not recall any politician as wrongly and viciously using the sufferings of others for a campaign of grotesque lies for his political agenda.

    However, I do understand you would never sign a living will and would want your brainless body kept on machines decades after decade no matter the psychological, emotion, legal and monetary costs to your family members.

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Speed of the media isn't relevant. There's a reason this is in the news now before the election cycle has even begun. It's the same reason the Lewinsky scandal was in the news before Hillary became a serious candidate. These stories are the politician's own campaign clearing the air.

    If you think this story is an attempt to take out Bush then you don't know politics. This story was mos likely brought up by Bush supporters so that when stories like this matter, this story will be old news even in the context of an election; people on both sides just won't care anymore.
    You might not think so, but speed of journalism is important and the bombardment of immediate news media is IMHO, things politicians might have gotten away with in the past are now a lot harder to get past due to the internet and the 24/7 news media barrage that happens when a candidate does something wrong.

    And remember, I am one of the people who think this is just a bump in the road.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, Superfly.

    I recall seeing her hug her parents when they visited, which meant she recognized them. At what point in her hospital stay this occurred I don't know. Perhaps it was early on in her long ordeal. I read somewhere, though, that if you are subjected to constant thoughts by someone who wished you dead, it can harm you, since your subconscious would pick up on that, and I think that's possible. Who knows?
    She did no such thing.

    Now it comes down to some bizarre theory that she was mentally attacked by bad thoughts.

    It was her husband, not her parents, who took her around the country seeking any expert with any theory of how to revive her. Her parents didn't care and agreed the husband should be in charge. That ONLY changed when there was a judgment for malpractice and the parents wanted some of that money. Suddenly, they were pushing him to divorce and claiming her body should be kept on life support - at least until he did. Then they would inherit the $750,000 trust set up for her.

    Here parents were not loving. They were the worst form of money grubbers using the tragedy to try to put money in their pockets, no other motivation.

    Rather than reading reciting of lies by a politician, why not actually research the facts. It's not hard to do.

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Speed of the media isn't relevant. There's a reason this is in the news now before the election cycle has even begun. It's the same reason the Lewinsky scandal was in the news before Hillary became a serious candidate. These stories are the politician's own campaign clearing the air.

    If you think this story is an attempt to take out Bush then you don't know politics. This story was mos likely brought up by Bush supporters so that when stories like this matter, this story will be old news even in the context of an election; people on both sides just won't care anymore.
    I agree with that analysis. Voters have the attention span of a 2 year old.

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    You might not think so, but speed of journalism is important and the bombardment of immediate news media is IMHO, things politicians might have gotten away with in the past are now a lot harder to get past due to the internet and the 24/7 news media barrage that happens when a candidate does something wrong.

    And remember, I am one of the people who think this is just a bump in the road.
    Speed of media just isn't relevant to the facts of the Terry Schiavo case or Jeb Bush. It's as if you blurted out some rant on the color yellow. It has nothing to do with anything.

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