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Thread: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Kids should cease being kids at 18 and become adults.... Besides it's well established at law that your spouse has power of attorney over you should someone be needed to make medical decisions on your behalf. If that scares you, you need a different spouse. Or a living will drawn up by an actual attorney.

    The schindlers were grief striken parents, but their position was irrational, Terri was a vegetable, it was established on two different trials and 5 appeals in 14 different courts. And the autopsy afterward. I don't want to be kept alive for 13 years under those circumstances, and thank god I live in a state not run by emotional right wing nut jobs who will send state troopers in defiance of my (or a future spouses) wishes.

    She was never going to improve. Simple as that, there was zero constitutional authority for jeb to have intervened in any way
    Thank you for sharing your medical expertise with me, but this case was legislated 10 years ago. I have a living will, but thank you for the legal advice as well.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The government intervenes in "personal medical decisions" all the time. The government decides who pays for medical decisions, and who has to have insurance coverage for our personal medical decisions, and what personal medical decisions are covered by Medicare and Medicaid, and how old you have to be to have an abortion, and what drug is approved for treatment and what hospitals and doctors are licensed, and so on. If you think Terri Schiavo was the one and only time that government intervened in health care, I've wasted 30 seconds of typing.
    How often does the federal government and the state governor intervene in a specific medical case? You can't compare Medicare rules which apply to everyone in the program to a governor or congress intervening in a specific medical case.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm sorta confused why its bad when a democrat does it and ignored when a republican does it. And this one could be president too!

    TALLAHASSEE - Gov. Jeb Bush on Monday strongly endorsed issuing state
    driver's licenses to illegal immigrants... Hundreds of thousands of
    people could be affected by the proposal, which is currently making
    its way through the Florida Legislature. Sen. Rudy Garcia, a Hialeah
    Republican pushing the measure in the Senate, says it would enable
    those stuck in immigration limbo to drive with valid licenses and get
    insurance while they work to become citizens. "Our roads and streets
    will be safer because of this," Garcia said...


    Jeb Bush backs illegal-immigrant driver licenses | The San Diego Union-Tribune
    I was not aware that Jeb Bush endorsed this! It's still not right, no matter who does it! They are here illegally, which means they broke our immigration laws, Monte! How are they "stuck in immigration limbo" as claimed by Garcia? You did note that he included "and get insurance," didn't you? Nothing has prevented them from working to become citizens prior to this, except their decision not to bother with that detail. This is only pandering from both sides for political reasons to get votes, IMO, not to mention the revenue they hope to gain. This Country has always welcomed legal immigrants, and that's good. Why should any of our laws have to be changed to accommodate illegals?

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    How often does the federal government and the state governor intervene in a specific medical case? You can't compare Medicare rules which apply to everyone in the program to a governor or congress intervening in a specific medical case.
    Then don't vote for him. Problem solved.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's very compassionate towards her parents. By the way, there are a lot of "creatures" in hospitals and hospices today whose heads are "full of Jello". Do you suggest we just terminate these "creatures" once and for all today?
    Of course I do. They are not human beings anymore. Without brains they are the living dead. Why would you want to preserve dead peoples bodies? It is sick.

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm married and I have 3 children. If my parents, who are both dead, felt that a decision my husband was making on my behalf was not the right one, then they would be free to fight it as Terri Schivao's parents did because of what they believed. If one of my sons was terribly injured and I believed in my heart he could survive, and his wife didn't and wanted to terminate him, I may or may not act as her parents did. But if I did, I wouldn't owe anyone an explanation.
    Of course you would be free to act as I would be free to act once my kids were grown as well, and my father would be free to act if I were in that situation. However I would stand little chance of prevailing and my father would stand little chance of prevailing because the law - for good reason - puts those types of decisions clearly at the feet of the spouse and not the parents.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Kids should cease being kids at 18 and become adults.... Besides it's well established at law that your spouse has power of attorney over you should someone be needed to make medical decisions on your behalf. If that scares you, you need a different spouse. Or a living will drawn up by an actual attorney.

    The schindlers were grief striken parents, but their position was irrational, Terri was a vegetable, it was established on two different trials and 5 appeals in 14 different courts. And the autopsy afterward. I don't want to be kept alive for 13 years under those circumstances, and thank god I live in a state not run by emotional right wing nut jobs who will send state troopers in defiance of my (or a future spouses) wishes.

    She was never going to improve. Simple as that, there was zero constitutional authority for jeb to have intervened in any way

    Btw my mother does have power of attorney over me becuase I'm unmarried but other the hat I live independently of her, I also have a living will describing exactly what my wishes are if I'm brain dead and multiple trusted relatives and a friend of mine since fifth grade have been given a copy of that well so that there are multiple people who understand what my wishes are and there is no confusion
    This ^

    You summed it up perfectly and there is no rational argument to be made against anything you just wrote.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Theres a whole lot of people that fit that category. Shall we just start offing them?
    If their brains are gone they are already dead. You wish to preserve their lifeless bodies because?

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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Of course you would be free to act as I would be free to act once my kids were grown as well, and my father would be free to act if I were in that situation. However I would stand little chance of prevailing and my father would stand little chance of prevailing because the law - for good reason - puts those types of decisions clearly at the feet of the spouse and not the parents.
    Are you sharing this with me because you want my approval, or because you think this is what's being discussed? The topic of this thread is how this will impact Jeb Bush politically, not how you would react if Terri Schiavo were your daughter.
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    Re: Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I was not aware that Jeb Bush endorsed this! It's still not right, no matter who does it! They are here illegally, which means they broke our immigration laws, Monte! How are they "stuck in immigration limbo" as claimed by Garcia? You did note that he included "and get insurance," didn't you? Nothing has prevented them from working to become citizens prior to this, except their decision not to bother with that detail. This is only pandering from both sides for political reasons to get votes, IMO, not to mention the revenue they hope to gain. This Country has always welcomed legal immigrants, and that's good. Why should any of our laws have to be changed to accommodate illegals?
    Oh no, I think you misunderstand my position. I'm not the one that thinks that there stuck in limbo. I'm against giving illegals drivers licenses. But while the the right seems busy blaming it all on the left, the illegals are getting them and both parties are handing them out.
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