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Do You Support Immediately Implementing More Sanctions on Iran?

Do You Support Immediately Implementing More Sanctions on Iran?

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Question: Do You Support Immediately Implementing More Sanctions on Iran?
 
Man I already ****ed up the vote count. I accidentally hit yes, mine should be no :3oops::Oopsie
 
I don't support implementing sanctions on Iran at all, immediately or otherwise. Sanctions are bull**** and do more to hurt the poor saps living under the corrupted governments than the corrupted governments themselves.
 
Thrilla said:
I can't answer if i don't know the details of the sanctions being threatened.
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Good point - it would be helpful if we knew what was being proposed.
 
No, I am still questioning what the prior sanctions have accomplished. That is not necessarily an argument to end all sanctions, just perhaps evaluate why they are failing to make a prescribed change that suggestively has not occurred.
 
TeleKat said:
I don't support implementing sanctions on Iran at all, immediately or otherwise. Sanctions are bull**** and do more to hurt the poor saps living under the corrupted governments than the corrupted governments themselves.
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Exactly, I never understood why this isn't a universal viewpoint.
 
OrphanSlug said:
No, I am still questioning what the prior sanctions have accomplished. That is not necessarily an argument to end all sanctions, just perhaps evaluate why they are failing to make a prescribed change that suggestively has not occurred.
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Probably because of what was pointed out in post 3.
 
OrphanSlug said:
No, I am still questioning what the prior sanctions have accomplished. That is not necessarily an argument to end all sanctions, just perhaps evaluate why they are failing to make a prescribed change that suggestively has not occurred.
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They are at the table due to sanctions.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS20871.pdf
Iran’s crude oil exports are about 1.1 million barrels per day (mbd) at the end of
2013—far below the 2.5 million barrels per day Iran exported during 2011.
• Iran’s economy shrank by about 5% in 2013 as Iran’s private sector reduced
operations and many of its loans became delinquent, and has rebounded only
modestly since the JPA sanctions relief went into effect.

Why "Iran Style" Sanctions Worked Against Tehran (And Why They Might Not Succeed with Moscow) | Brookings Institution
Over the course of the past four years, however, the sanctions against Iran — and the context for them internationally and within Iran — have changed dramatically. Since 2010, the sanctions' impact on Iran has been severe: its oil exports and revenues plummeted; the value of its currency eroded; trade disruptions shuttered businesses and exacerbated inflation. Quietly, a backlash emerged among Iran's political elites against the country's creeping isolation, and the June 2013 presidential election ushered in a moderate new president and the beginnings of a diplomatic breakthrough on the nuclear crisis — achievements that most observers attribute to the impact of sanctions.

https://www.gov.uk/sanctions-on-iran
 
JANFU said:
They are at the table due to sanctions.

https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RS20871.pdf
Iran’s crude oil exports are about 1.1 million barrels per day (mbd) at the end of
2013—far below the 2.5 million barrels per day Iran exported during 2011.
• Iran’s economy shrank by about 5% in 2013 as Iran’s private sector reduced
operations and many of its loans became delinquent, and has rebounded only
modestly since the JPA sanctions relief went into effect.

Why "Iran Style" Sanctions Worked Against Tehran (And Why They Might Not Succeed with Moscow) | Brookings Institution
Over the course of the past four years, however, the sanctions against Iran — and the context for them internationally and within Iran — have changed dramatically. Since 2010, the sanctions' impact on Iran has been severe: its oil exports and revenues plummeted; the value of its currency eroded; trade disruptions shuttered businesses and exacerbated inflation. Quietly, a backlash emerged among Iran's political elites against the country's creeping isolation, and the June 2013 presidential election ushered in a moderate new president and the beginnings of a diplomatic breakthrough on the nuclear crisis — achievements that most observers attribute to the impact of sanctions.

https://www.gov.uk/sanctions-on-iran
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Maybe. Or maybe they are at the table because of wing nuts like Netanyahu and McCain that want to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!
 
Montecresto said:
Maybe. Or maybe they are at the table because of wing nuts like Netanyahu and McCain that want to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!
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16 million under age 24 – no jobs- highly educated workforce, brain drain as people emigrate-
Inflation high- availability of food and other products – low to really hard to get.
Aging & out of date infrastructure- badly in need of investment.
Bombing Iran would only slow them from acquiring a Nuke.
My opinion - Sanctions imposed over the past few years are what brought them to the table.
Oil prices dropped when Saudi did not give up market share as they did in the 90’s.
They need a deal as much as the west does.
 
JANFU said:
16 million under age 24 – no jobs- highly educated workforce, brain drain as people emigrate-
Inflation high- availability of food and other products – low to really hard to get.
Aging & out of date infrastructure- badly in need of investment.
Bombing Iran would only slow them from acquiring a Nuke.
My opinion - Sanctions imposed over the past few years are what brought them to the table.
Oil prices dropped when Saudi did not give up market share as they did in the 90’s.
They need a deal as much as the west does.
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Both positions could be contributing factors.
 
JANFU said:
True, though I lean heavy on the sanctions side.
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Yes, I understood that the first time. Who knows what's in the ayatollah's head.
 
Montecresto said:
Yes, I understood that the first time. Who knows what's in the ayatollah's head.
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Even the term Ayatalloh was assumed not earned. A sore point with a number Iranian clerics.
 
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