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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dobsdot00 View Post
    Would you support the death penalty for white collar crimes?
    I don't support the death penalty for ANY crimes except double parking.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dobsdot00 View Post
    Would you support the death penalty for white collar crimes?
    It is difficult, but not impossible, for me to conceive of a situation in which a white-collar crime could merit the death penalty. I'm thinking of something along the lines of a scam that so thoroughly impoverishes its victim that that victim subsequently dies prematurely of some cause that could have been avoided, had that victim not been so impoverished, coupled with am awareness and lack of concern on the part of the perpetrator that his crime could result in such a death.

    Really, any crime which the perpetrator should reasonably know has a likelihood of resulting in an unjust death, which the perpetrator commits without concern for this possibility, and which, in fact, does result in death, ought to merit the death penalty.

    I'm open to the idea of the death penalty for serious crimes in which the victim's livelihood is attacked. Stealing a horse used to be considered a capital crime, on the basis that by stealing a man's means of transportation, you might be depriving him of the necessary means to survive. I'd not be opposed to the death penalty, on that basis, for some instances of stealing a car, or of stealing the tools on which someone depends in order to make his living.


    I can also see the death penalty as being justified for some instances of a large accumulated amount of criminality, consisting of a very large number of crimes each of which do not, in themselves, rise to nearly a capital level; but where the sum total of all the criminality, and all the disregard for the rights of others, reflected in this pattern of many crimes, amounts to a sufficient level as to merit the forfeit of the perpetrator's life.

    Finally, I can easily see the death penalty as appropriate for almost any serious abuse of one's power as a member of government. Public servants really need to be very forcefully reminded, from time to time, that they are our servants, and not our masters. I think this would be a much healthier society if we were much bolder about reminding the worst of our corrupt officials in such a manner, both to eliminate them from our population, and as a warning to any others who might contemplate similar abuses. I have a very vague memory of having heard of some society in which a certain public official, while conducting his duties, sat on a bench that was upholstered with the skin of the last person to hold that position and to abuse the power thereof. How much healthier our society would be if our public servants all had similar reminders of their role as our servants,and of the gravity of any abuse of the positions.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dobsdot00 View Post
    I got the idea for this thread from the recent execution in China of mining tycoon Liu Han.
    A quick search seems to indicate that he was convicted of nine murders, and of running a mafia-style organized crime operation. Not exactly “white collar” crimes. Assuming the accusations are accurate, his execution was entirely justified. As far as I am concerned, any one murder, in the absence of significant mitigating circumstances, is sufficient to call for the death penalty. Nine murders demands it.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    the majority of the population has issue with the death penalty for capital crimes

    why would you think anyone would want the death penalty for white collar crime?

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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I don't condone the death penalty for anything other than the most heinous of crimes...murder, rape, etc.

    Though I'll consider supporting mandatory death penalty for anyone who commits a crime while in physical possession of a firearm...whether they use it or not.
    I cannot agree. Bearing arms is an explicitly affirmed right under our Constitution, which government is forbidden to infringe. Under no circumstances can I ever agree with treating the legitimate exercise of a Constitutional right, in itself, as a crime, or even as an aggravating circumstance to another crime. Possession of an arm cannot legitimately be part of a criminal charge, until the point is reached where that arm, or the threat of the force which that arm represents, is used in the commission of a crime. Now, if a criminal uses deadly force, of the threat of deadly force, to commit a crime, then I am with you as far as the death penalty being on the table. The mere presence or possession of a weapon does not meet this standard, and falls entirely within the Constitutionally-protected right affirmed by the Second Amendment.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Depends... steal tons of money ruining families or communities... yes. Neglegent CEO of baby food company and babies die... yes. Those are two examples.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    i didnt [sic] look at any recent data

    i am for the death penalty, and would apply it to more than capital offences…
    By definition, any crime which makes one eligible for the death penalty, is a capital offense.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I said I would consider it. I was thinking more along the lines of someone robbing a bank while armed or someone demanding money from me on the street while pointing a gun at me. My thought is, even if they don't shoot me, they very well might and they indicate they very well would. Now...if I were armed and I defended myself by killing the robber, then I have justifiably sentenced that robber to death and carried out the execution. The State should do no less in defense of its citizens.
    No, you haven't. You've just used deadly force in an unfortunate, but necessary and justified manner, to defend yourself against an imminent threat. Though I certainly support the right to do so in that instance, it is an inferior result to that of the robber being captured alive, and given due process of law in which he was properly convicted of a crime, sentenced to death, and had that sentence carried out.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I cannot agree. Bearing arms is an explicitly affirmed right under our Constitution, which government is forbidden to infringe. Under no circumstances can I ever agree with treating the legitimate exercise of a Constitutional right, in itself, as a crime, or even as an aggravating circumstance to another crime. Possession of an arm cannot legitimately be part of a criminal charge, until the point is reached where that arm, or the threat of the force which that arm represents, is used in the commission of a crime. Now, if a criminal uses deadly force, of the threat of deadly force, to commit a crime, then I am with you as far as the death penalty being on the table. The mere presence or possession of a weapon does not meet this standard, and falls entirely within the Constitutionally-protected right affirmed by the Second Amendment.
    Many States already impose greater sentences if a crime is committed while in possession of a firearm...even if it is not used.

    Committing a Crime While Using a Firearm

    In most states, the penalties that would normally apply to a crime increase when you commit the same crime while in possession of a firearm. This is often the case whether or not you actually use the weapon, and sometimes merely possessing it incurs the additional punishment. For example, the District of Columbia imposes up to 30 additional years in prison if you commit specified dangerous crimes while in possession of a firearm (in addition to the normal fines and prison time for the underlying crime).

    Do penalties increase if I commit certain crimes while in possession of a firearm? | Criminal Law
    Furthermore, some States also include knives and other weapons such as TASARS in such laws...so the precedent is there. I am only considering making the penalty much harsher.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Maybe for the most egregious offenses. People like Madoff who ruined the lives of thousands of people.
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