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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dobsdot00 View Post
    Republicans almost always support the death penalty. Duh!
    Produce your source for that claim. We'll wait. Probably for nothing since you won't be able to find a credible source.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dobsdot00 View Post
    Republicans almost always support the death penalty. Duh!
    Not for shoplifting. This isn't the Middle East.

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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dobsdot00 View Post
    Republicans almost always support the death penalty. Duh!
    Find me ONE elected Republican who has EVER advocated the death penalty for shoplifting or any of the other crimes you're claiming are an inevitablity. Your entire premise is based on nonsense.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Fair enough...your opinion.

    I'm all for the 2nd Amendment, but when one commits a criminal act while in possession of a firearm, I believe they don't deserve that Amendment's considerations.
    Either you are for the Second Amendment, or else you are not. If you are OK with allowing, in any circumstances, the legitimate exercise of the right affirmed by the Second Amendment to be treated as a crime, or even as an aggravating circumstances to an unrelated crime, then you are not for the Second Amendment.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Either you are for the Second Amendment, or else you are not. If you are OK with allowing, in any circumstances, the legitimate exercise of the right affirmed by the Second Amendment to be treated as a crime, or even as an aggravating circumstances to an unrelated crime, then you are not for the Second Amendment.
    Ummm...

    So...let me get this straight. A person commits a crime while in possession of a firearm and you contend that person is just exercising his 2nd Amendment right? Do you extend that contention to a person who commits a crime by speaking? They are only exercising their 1st Amendment right? How about the person who yells "FIRE" in a theater? Are they only exercising their right...even though they have deliberately caused injury or maybe death? Or...maybe it's different if a person robs a bank while indicating he has a gun in his pocket. Maybe HE'S just exercising his right?
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Collar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Ummm...

    So...let me get this straight. A person commits a crime while in possession of a firearm and you contend that person is just exercising his 2nd Amendment right? Do you extend that contention to a person who commits a crime by speaking? They are only exercising their 1st Amendment right? How about the person who yells "FIRE" in a theater? Are they only exercising their right...even though they have deliberately caused injury or maybe death? Or...maybe it's different if a person robs a bank while indicating he has a gun in his pocket. Maybe HE'S just exercising his right?
    Do you really not see the difference here, between someone who may be exercising a legitimate Constitutional right, as an irrelevant aside to a crime he may be committing, and someone who commits a crime by doing something that would otherwise be a Constitutional right?

    Every free American has a right to keep and bear arms. This right does not include any “right” to use one's arms to harm or threaten another person unjustly.

    Every free American has a right to free speech. This right does not include any “right” to speak in a manner which unjustly causes harm to others.

    I cannot agree with criminalizing the legitimate exercise of a right, even when the person exercising that right may also be committing a crime, to which his exercise of that right is not directly relevant. Now if someone uses his exercise of a right, directly to commit a crime, then that's another thing entirely; but you seem to be willfully missing this important distinction.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Collar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Do you really not see the difference here, between someone who may be exercising a legitimate Constitutional right, as an irrelevant aside to a crime he may be committing, and someone who commits a crime by doing something that would otherwise be a Constitutional right?

    Every free American has a right to keep and bear arms. This right does not include any “right” to use one's arms to harm or threaten another person unjustly.

    Every free American has a right to free speech. This right does not include any “right” to speak in a manner which unjustly causes harm to others.

    I cannot agree with criminalizing the legitimate exercise of a right, even when the person exercising that right may also be committing a crime, to which his exercise of that right is not directly relevant. Now if someone uses his exercise of a right, directly to commit a crime, then that's another thing entirely; but you seem to be willfully missing this important distinction.
    If a person is in possession of a firearm while committing a crime, there is, if not a deliberate intention of using that firearm, a heightened possibility of using that firearm...a possibility that would have been eliminated by NOT having a firearm in possession. It is a distinct choice made by the person committing the crime and, in my opinion, merits the death penalty.

    Your 2nd Amendment right ends when you chose to commit a crime while in possession of a firearm.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Collar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    If a person is in possession of a firearm while committing a crime, there is, if not a deliberate intention of using that firearm, a heightened possibility of using that firearm...a possibility that would have been eliminated by NOT having a firearm in possession. It is a distinct choice made by the person committing the crime and, in my opinion, merits the death penalty.

    Your 2nd Amendment right ends when you chose to commit a crime while in possession of a firearm.
    I don't agree that it does. A right doesn't end until that right directly steps on someone else's rights. Your right to carry an arm ends when you use that arm to violate someone else's rights, not one moment before.

    Otherwise, you're setting up a precedent under which any right can be abridged on the mere presumption that one might use that right to violate someone else's right.
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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Since minorities are more likely to commit white collar crimes, I wonder if those who voted yes are aware of the disparate racial impact of execution?

    Although I support the death penalty, I dont for anything but murder.

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    Re: Death Penalty For White Colloar Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Since minorities are more likely to commit white collar crimes, I wonder if those who voted yes are aware of the disparate racial impact of execution?

    Although I support the death penalty, I dont for anything but murder.
    Really!?

    Don't think so.

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