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Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Republic?

Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Republic?

  • Yes, states no longer have any power, pick a name that better describes us

    Votes: 6 37.5%
  • No, I'm nostalgic and like to maintain the illusion that states have any power

    Votes: 10 62.5%

  • Total voters
    16
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

I think you actually want to change the name to The UnUnited States of America.

Thank to you, that's what we are.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

Oh look, another terrible poll thread.

Peter Grimm is upset because gay marriage is coming to Alabama.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

My experience is the opposite - Brazilians have always been the first to bitch in my encounters. I've never been to the southern cone though, so maybe different attitudes down there.



Aside from perhaps a brief period under the articles of confederation, were those states ever independent in any meaningful way? I'm not as well versed on US history as I would like to be, but hasn't the federal govt always been fairly pervasive since the US constitution was ratified?



Not that lucky. My work takes me away from CA most of the year. Have worked in the majority of US states. Can't stand most of them. I do like TX tho. Good food, hot women, decent winters, etc. :)

It used to be that the individual states acted fairly independently. That changed around the time of the civil war. And not for the better, in my opinion.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

Peter Grimm is upset because gay marriage is coming to Alabama.

Do you live in Alabama? Are you excited that you might be able to marry there soon?
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

States that tried decentralization didn't end so well historically.

Unless of course, the US is to be divided into several different countries but I don't see that happening at least for a few decades.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

States that tried decentralization didn't end so well historically.

Unless of course, the US is to be divided into several different countries but I don't see that happening at least for a few decades.

Oh good, we get to be a unified country for a couple more decades. Thanks for giving us the benefit of the doubt.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

Do you live in Alabama? Are you excited that you might be able to marry there soon?

The best part is that in Alabama now you can too.

'Merica.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

The best part is that in Alabama now you can too.

'Merica.

Well I'm not gay so that doesn't appeal to me. Anyway no more sidetracking.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

For example, if Texas wants to sell assault rifles, ban gay marriage, and if Colorado wants to legalize marijuana, is it really right that someone on the east coast gets to lord over YOUR state and tell you what laws you can and cannot have in your own jurisdiction?

1: I agree about the assault rifles up to a point. No State and the Federal government should be able to ban assault rifles period. That is protected in our Constitution.

2: No State, nor the Federal Government should be able to ban SSM. Marriage is a Right held by the People, it is not a privilege despite what anti-SSM folks wish to believe. Also it should be noted that the Courts have struck down gay marriage bans. The Courts have been able to strike down laws made by the States that violated peoples Rights even before the civil war.

3: As far as MJ and Colorado goes...they already did that and the Federal government isn't challenging that afaik.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

1: I agree about the assault rifles up to a point. No State and the Federal government should be able to ban assault rifles period. That is protected in our Constitution.

2: No State, nor the Federal Government should be able to ban SSM. Marriage is a Right held by the People, it is not a privilege despite what anti-SSM folks wish to believe. Also it should be noted that the Courts have struck down gay marriage bans. The Courts have been able to strike down laws made by the States that violated peoples Rights even before the civil war.

3: As far as MJ and Colorado goes...they already did that and the Federal government isn't challenging that afaik.

Lots of appeal to authority here
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

Well I'm not gay so that doesn't appeal to me. Anyway no more sidetracking.

But the point is that if you wanted to marry another man in Alabama, now you can. You have more net personal freedom than you did last week. As a libertarian you should be celebrating this.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

But the point is that if you wanted to marry another man in Alabama, now you can. You have more net personal freedom than you did last week. As a libertarian you should be celebrating this.

Ummm sure.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

Can't debate what I said huh?

Well look, I just think that just because the courts rule on something, that doesn't make it right.

Just means I live in a jurocracy, that I live under a law that wasn't democratically decided, but rather decided by some activist judge bending the law to his progressive ends.

It's garbage. The courts are the main culprit in usurping states rights

Let the people decide. Let legislatures legislate, and keep decisions local. Like it was done originally
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

Oh good, we get to be a unified country for a couple more decades. Thanks for giving us the benefit of the doubt.

I never said it was likely, it just merely said it was possible. Most people in early 19th century Europe couldn't have predicted that Germany (Deutschland) or Italy (Italia) would be unified within a few decades. Politics, especially geopolitics, are mostly impossible to predict.

In addition as time goes on, human society has shown a tendency to for lack of a better word, "destabilize" (which could be used in a negative or positive connotation) or accelerate further and further in its change. A very, very rough mathematical sketch would be one where the function is the change or the "displacement", the first derivative is the rate of change or the "velocity", and the second derivative the "acceleration". The acceleration would be a positive constant, the velocity a positive linear line, and the displacement a geometric "sequence".
This graph would show human progress not just in technology (which is what we principally define as "progress") but also knowledge, numbers, production, basically everything in human civilization. There would be spans in which the graph does not follow exactly its prescribed path (such as the majority of the European Middle Ages) but in the whole, it would be a geometric sequence, until (and if) humanity dies out (if it is a sudden event) or near the end of humanity (if it is a prolonged event).

I blabbered on about an irrelevant off-topic theory but my point is that the rate of change in human society gets faster and faster. Things we could not have foreseen will happen in a few decades if not years. I was merely pointing out a possibility. Do I think it is likely? No. Do I think it is inevitable in the short run? No. Do I see it as a desirable outcome? No. Yet we cannot dismiss its possibility as only fools dismiss possibilities.

Addendum: Historically, multicultural and multi-ethnic countries had a long, terrible fate. The Ottoman Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire were all destroyed in the century of nationalism and were rendered useless shadows of their former selves in the first tide of nationalism (the 19th century). Countries that had a large ethnic minority (Prussia, the former Second German Empire, and the Russian Empire with their Polish population, the list goes on and on) also faced difficulty although in cases where they had an overwhelming, strong majority, they did not fall to those nationalistic pressures.

Some racist, xenophobic idiots will see this as further proof that their own countries must maintain a homogeneous population. However, modern countries differ drastically from their autocratic predecessors in that they are (relatively) free, liberal, democracies. Minorities and different groups rebelled against oppression of a majority, however, when they are treated equally, racial and ethnic tensions drastically decrease.

That was a rather long rant. My posting (and writing) style is rather like a stream of consciousness which is something I must fix. Someday.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

Well look, I just think that just because the courts rule on something, that doesn't make it right.

The courts do mess up yes. However there is nothing stopping the legislatures from either re-writing a law to where its accepted or appealing a court ruling to a higher court when possible. There is also nothing stopping a State from simply ignoring the courts period. The Courts have no way to enforce their rulings. So if a State goes by what they say that is their own decision to do so.

Just means I live in a jurocracy, that I live under a law that wasn't democratically decided, but rather decided by some activist judge bending the law to his progressive ends.

This isn't a democratic country. Its a Republic country. Which means you don't have the right to vote away peoples rights.

It's garbage. The courts are the main culprit in usurping states rights

I'll agree that the courts are partially responsible. The main culprit? That is debatable.

Let the people decide. Let legislatures legislate, and keep decisions local. Like it was done originally

Again, the Courts have been doing what they've been doing since almost the beginning. And all that the people decided was who was elected as Senator. If you really want to go back to how things were actually done then you wouldn't be voting for who is President and you wouldn't be able to vote on what is put in State Constitutions or vote on what ever law happened to make it to referendum. Because there was no such thing as a referendum back then.

Another thing that you should consider is that if the Courts didn't decide on the Constitutionality of things then this country would be far different than it is today. Including the fact that there would still be miscegenation laws on the books. You also would have absolutely no say and no form of recourse when the legislatures enact laws that would infringe on your rights. How would you like it if the States were allowed to allow Islamic prayers in schools but banned Christianity? How would you react if a State banned all guns? How would you react if States did away with jury trials?

You see, in the beginning the BoR's only applied to the Federal Government. Not any of the States. You would essentially have NO rights if the Courts didn't do what they do.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

I think you actually want to change the name to The UnUnited States of America.

Really....you hear all of these wackos running around acting like "States Rights" trump everything else in this country....its like you said they don't want a "United" States of America....they want a "states can do anything they want...but we still want to pretend that we have something that unites us" Country.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

The courts do mess up yes. However there is nothing stopping the legislatures from either re-writing a law to where its accepted or appealing a court ruling to a higher court when possible. There is also nothing stopping a State from simply ignoring the courts period. The Courts have no way to enforce their rulings. So if a State goes by what they say that is their own decision to do so.



This isn't a democratic country. Its a Republic country. Which means you don't have the right to vote away peoples rights.



I'll agree that the courts are partially responsible. The main culprit? That is debatable.



Again, the Courts have been doing what they've been doing since almost the beginning. And all that the people decided was who was elected as Senator. If you really want to go back to how things were actually done then you wouldn't be voting for who is President and you wouldn't be able to vote on what is put in State Constitutions or vote on what ever law happened to make it to referendum. Because there was no such thing as a referendum back then.

Another thing that you should consider is that if the Courts didn't decide on the Constitutionality of things then this country would be far different than it is today. Including the fact that there would still be miscegenation laws on the books. You also would have absolutely no say and no form of recourse when the legislatures enact laws that would infringe on your rights. How would you like it if the States were allowed to allow Islamic prayers in schools but banned Christianity? How would you react if a State banned all guns? How would you react if States did away with jury trials?

You see, in the beginning the BoR's only applied to the Federal Government. Not any of the States. You would essentially have NO rights if the Courts didn't do what they do.

Well thought out answer. I'll give it a shot.

What is it about the courts that make them the ultimate protector of individual rights, as opposed to the legislature or even the executive? Supreme Court judges are not elected. They are appointed for life so they are not accountable for their rulings, however horrible they may be. There is nothing superhuman about these men and women in robes, they get sone right, they get some wrong.

At the end of the day, I would rather have the legislature, elected by me and my constituants, hold most of the power. Alas, that isn't the case. Our weak constitution has allowed the judiciary to make a power grab to where they effectively run our lives behind closed doors.

A Supreme Court justice has ten times the power of our president. Our very own ayatollahs, behind the curtain, calling the shots.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

No. There is no sensible reason to do that.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

The United States of America.

How quaint.

To hear that name, it sounds almost as if we were intended to be a collection of semi-independent states, united under one government for defense against tyranny.

There was a time when that name actually described us.

No more. What does a state even do anymore? The federal government has grabbed so much power from the states, the "50 nifty" are nothing but lame shadows of themselves.

That is NOT what the founders had in mind. We were never meant to be a centrally-governed monolith. But that's exactly what we have become.

For example, if Texas wants to sell assault rifles, ban gay marriage, and if Colorado wants to legalize marijuana, is it really right that someone on the east coast gets to lord over YOUR state and tell you what laws you can and cannot have in your own jurisdiction?

So we should change our name. I get it... The United States has a quaint, nostalgic appeal. Like an old wooden cottage nobody lives in anymore, but everyone thinks is so cute. But really, the American Federal Republic suits us much better.

That was never the intention.

If the federal government controls everything, doesn't that make the states much more united than when they were all off doing their own thing? I would think the name is even more appropriate today than it was in the late 1700s.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

Well thought out answer. I'll give it a shot.

What is it about the courts that make them the ultimate protector of individual rights, as opposed to the legislature or even the executive? Supreme Court judges are not elected. They are appointed for life so they are not accountable for their rulings, however horrible they may be. There is nothing superhuman about these men and women in robes, they get sone right, they get some wrong.

At the end of the day, I would rather have the legislature, elected by me and my constituants, hold most of the power. Alas, that isn't the case. Our weak constitution has allowed the judiciary to make a power grab to where they effectively run our lives behind closed doors.

A Supreme Court justice has ten times the power of our president. Our very own ayatollahs, behind the curtain, calling the shots.

There's a bit of hyperbole in this post. SCOTUS does not have "10 times the power of our President". That is obvious in the fact that our last couple of Presidents (at least) have completely ignored the Constitution every chance that they could. You see SCOTUS has no power to enforce their rulings. The only way that their rulings can be enforced is via the Executive Branch of our government. Something that Presidents don't HAVE to do. The same goes for our Legislative Branch.

Also I've got to say that I sure as heck wouldn't want the Executive Branch and/or the Legislative Branch to decide what is Constitutional or not. Particularly since they are often bought and paid for in every single election campaign by Big Money.
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

The United States of America.

How quaint.

To hear that name, it sounds almost as if we were intended to be a collection of semi-independent states, united under one government for defense against tyranny.

There was a time when that name actually described us.

No more. What does a state even do anymore? The federal government has grabbed so much power from the states, the "50 nifty" are nothing but lame shadows of themselves.

That is NOT what the founders had in mind. We were never meant to be a centrally-governed monolith. But that's exactly what we have become.

For example, if Texas wants to sell assault rifles, ban gay marriage, and if Colorado wants to legalize marijuana, is it really right that someone on the east coast gets to lord over YOUR state and tell you what laws you can and cannot have in your own jurisdiction?

So we should change our name. I get it... The United States has a quaint, nostalgic appeal. Like an old wooden cottage nobody lives in anymore, but everyone thinks is so cute. But really, the American Federal Republic suits us much better.

That was never the intention.

I don't know what you're talking about -- seems to me the United States is more united than ever!

In fact I believe there was this little war a while back, where a bunch of states wanted out because they were afraid the big bad Northern states were going to take away their black people.

After that, I'm pretty sure, the US Army poured superglue in the cracks, and now it's an unbreakable union.

Hooray!
 
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Nah the states are very much united and I like the fed protecting my individual rights sinces its exactly what they are supposed to do . . . .typically that only bothers people who dont want others to have the same rights, most americans arent like that

sometimes they get it wrong and we have process for that and we just have to do those processes :shrug:
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

Peter Grimm is upset because gay marriage is coming to Alabama.

yep thats all it is

whats weird is ill never understand this hatred of equal rights?
Ill also never understand that shock factor . . . . equal rights has been winning for a whole now and its obvious its going to be national soon . . .

its just a retarded assumption to think states can do whatever they like, i dont care how many criminals and perverts move to state X they cant get together and decide hey rape is now legal in this state lol . . . .
 
Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

The United States of America.

How quaint.

To hear that name, it sounds almost as if we were intended to be a collection of semi-independent states, united under one government for defense against tyranny.

There was a time when that name actually described us.

No more. What does a state even do anymore? The federal government has grabbed so much power from the states, the "50 nifty" are nothing but lame shadows of themselves.

That is NOT what the founders had in mind. We were never meant to be a centrally-governed monolith. But that's exactly what we have become.

For example, if Texas wants to sell assault rifles, ban gay marriage, and if Colorado wants to legalize marijuana, is it really right that someone on the east coast gets to lord over YOUR state and tell you what laws you can and cannot have in your own jurisdiction?

So we should change our name. I get it... The United States has a quaint, nostalgic appeal. Like an old wooden cottage nobody lives in anymore, but everyone thinks is so cute. But really, the American Federal Republic suits us much better.

That was never the intention.

Should change its name to reflect its corporate donors.
 
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