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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Well look, I just think that just because the courts rule on something, that doesn't make it right.
    The courts do mess up yes. However there is nothing stopping the legislatures from either re-writing a law to where its accepted or appealing a court ruling to a higher court when possible. There is also nothing stopping a State from simply ignoring the courts period. The Courts have no way to enforce their rulings. So if a State goes by what they say that is their own decision to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Just means I live in a jurocracy, that I live under a law that wasn't democratically decided, but rather decided by some activist judge bending the law to his progressive ends.
    This isn't a democratic country. Its a Republic country. Which means you don't have the right to vote away peoples rights.

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    It's garbage. The courts are the main culprit in usurping states rights
    I'll agree that the courts are partially responsible. The main culprit? That is debatable.

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    Let the people decide. Let legislatures legislate, and keep decisions local. Like it was done originally
    Again, the Courts have been doing what they've been doing since almost the beginning. And all that the people decided was who was elected as Senator. If you really want to go back to how things were actually done then you wouldn't be voting for who is President and you wouldn't be able to vote on what is put in State Constitutions or vote on what ever law happened to make it to referendum. Because there was no such thing as a referendum back then.

    Another thing that you should consider is that if the Courts didn't decide on the Constitutionality of things then this country would be far different than it is today. Including the fact that there would still be miscegenation laws on the books. You also would have absolutely no say and no form of recourse when the legislatures enact laws that would infringe on your rights. How would you like it if the States were allowed to allow Islamic prayers in schools but banned Christianity? How would you react if a State banned all guns? How would you react if States did away with jury trials?

    You see, in the beginning the BoR's only applied to the Federal Government. Not any of the States. You would essentially have NO rights if the Courts didn't do what they do.
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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I think you actually want to change the name to The UnUnited States of America.
    Really....you hear all of these wackos running around acting like "States Rights" trump everything else in this country....its like you said they don't want a "United" States of America....they want a "states can do anything they want...but we still want to pretend that we have something that unites us" Country.
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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The courts do mess up yes. However there is nothing stopping the legislatures from either re-writing a law to where its accepted or appealing a court ruling to a higher court when possible. There is also nothing stopping a State from simply ignoring the courts period. The Courts have no way to enforce their rulings. So if a State goes by what they say that is their own decision to do so.



    This isn't a democratic country. Its a Republic country. Which means you don't have the right to vote away peoples rights.



    I'll agree that the courts are partially responsible. The main culprit? That is debatable.



    Again, the Courts have been doing what they've been doing since almost the beginning. And all that the people decided was who was elected as Senator. If you really want to go back to how things were actually done then you wouldn't be voting for who is President and you wouldn't be able to vote on what is put in State Constitutions or vote on what ever law happened to make it to referendum. Because there was no such thing as a referendum back then.

    Another thing that you should consider is that if the Courts didn't decide on the Constitutionality of things then this country would be far different than it is today. Including the fact that there would still be miscegenation laws on the books. You also would have absolutely no say and no form of recourse when the legislatures enact laws that would infringe on your rights. How would you like it if the States were allowed to allow Islamic prayers in schools but banned Christianity? How would you react if a State banned all guns? How would you react if States did away with jury trials?

    You see, in the beginning the BoR's only applied to the Federal Government. Not any of the States. You would essentially have NO rights if the Courts didn't do what they do.
    Well thought out answer. I'll give it a shot.

    What is it about the courts that make them the ultimate protector of individual rights, as opposed to the legislature or even the executive? Supreme Court judges are not elected. They are appointed for life so they are not accountable for their rulings, however horrible they may be. There is nothing superhuman about these men and women in robes, they get sone right, they get some wrong.

    At the end of the day, I would rather have the legislature, elected by me and my constituants, hold most of the power. Alas, that isn't the case. Our weak constitution has allowed the judiciary to make a power grab to where they effectively run our lives behind closed doors.

    A Supreme Court justice has ten times the power of our president. Our very own ayatollahs, behind the curtain, calling the shots.

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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    No. There is no sensible reason to do that.

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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The United States of America.

    How quaint.

    To hear that name, it sounds almost as if we were intended to be a collection of semi-independent states, united under one government for defense against tyranny.

    There was a time when that name actually described us.

    No more. What does a state even do anymore? The federal government has grabbed so much power from the states, the "50 nifty" are nothing but lame shadows of themselves.

    That is NOT what the founders had in mind. We were never meant to be a centrally-governed monolith. But that's exactly what we have become.

    For example, if Texas wants to sell assault rifles, ban gay marriage, and if Colorado wants to legalize marijuana, is it really right that someone on the east coast gets to lord over YOUR state and tell you what laws you can and cannot have in your own jurisdiction?

    So we should change our name. I get it... The United States has a quaint, nostalgic appeal. Like an old wooden cottage nobody lives in anymore, but everyone thinks is so cute. But really, the American Federal Republic suits us much better.

    That was never the intention.
    If the federal government controls everything, doesn't that make the states much more united than when they were all off doing their own thing? I would think the name is even more appropriate today than it was in the late 1700s.
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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Well thought out answer. I'll give it a shot.

    What is it about the courts that make them the ultimate protector of individual rights, as opposed to the legislature or even the executive? Supreme Court judges are not elected. They are appointed for life so they are not accountable for their rulings, however horrible they may be. There is nothing superhuman about these men and women in robes, they get sone right, they get some wrong.

    At the end of the day, I would rather have the legislature, elected by me and my constituants, hold most of the power. Alas, that isn't the case. Our weak constitution has allowed the judiciary to make a power grab to where they effectively run our lives behind closed doors.

    A Supreme Court justice has ten times the power of our president. Our very own ayatollahs, behind the curtain, calling the shots.
    There's a bit of hyperbole in this post. SCOTUS does not have "10 times the power of our President". That is obvious in the fact that our last couple of Presidents (at least) have completely ignored the Constitution every chance that they could. You see SCOTUS has no power to enforce their rulings. The only way that their rulings can be enforced is via the Executive Branch of our government. Something that Presidents don't HAVE to do. The same goes for our Legislative Branch.

    Also I've got to say that I sure as heck wouldn't want the Executive Branch and/or the Legislative Branch to decide what is Constitutional or not. Particularly since they are often bought and paid for in every single election campaign by Big Money.
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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The United States of America.

    How quaint.

    To hear that name, it sounds almost as if we were intended to be a collection of semi-independent states, united under one government for defense against tyranny.

    There was a time when that name actually described us.

    No more. What does a state even do anymore? The federal government has grabbed so much power from the states, the "50 nifty" are nothing but lame shadows of themselves.

    That is NOT what the founders had in mind. We were never meant to be a centrally-governed monolith. But that's exactly what we have become.

    For example, if Texas wants to sell assault rifles, ban gay marriage, and if Colorado wants to legalize marijuana, is it really right that someone on the east coast gets to lord over YOUR state and tell you what laws you can and cannot have in your own jurisdiction?

    So we should change our name. I get it... The United States has a quaint, nostalgic appeal. Like an old wooden cottage nobody lives in anymore, but everyone thinks is so cute. But really, the American Federal Republic suits us much better.

    That was never the intention.
    I don't know what you're talking about -- seems to me the United States is more united than ever!

    In fact I believe there was this little war a while back, where a bunch of states wanted out because they were afraid the big bad Northern states were going to take away their black people.

    After that, I'm pretty sure, the US Army poured superglue in the cracks, and now it's an unbreakable union.

    Hooray!

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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Nah the states are very much united and I like the fed protecting my individual rights sinces its exactly what they are supposed to do . . . .typically that only bothers people who dont want others to have the same rights, most americans arent like that

    sometimes they get it wrong and we have process for that and we just have to do those processes
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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Peter Grimm is upset because gay marriage is coming to Alabama.
    yep thats all it is

    whats weird is ill never understand this hatred of equal rights?
    Ill also never understand that shock factor . . . . equal rights has been winning for a whole now and its obvious its going to be national soon . . .

    its just a retarded assumption to think states can do whatever they like, i dont care how many criminals and perverts move to state X they cant get together and decide hey rape is now legal in this state lol . . . .
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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The United States of America.

    How quaint.

    To hear that name, it sounds almost as if we were intended to be a collection of semi-independent states, united under one government for defense against tyranny.

    There was a time when that name actually described us.

    No more. What does a state even do anymore? The federal government has grabbed so much power from the states, the "50 nifty" are nothing but lame shadows of themselves.

    That is NOT what the founders had in mind. We were never meant to be a centrally-governed monolith. But that's exactly what we have become.

    For example, if Texas wants to sell assault rifles, ban gay marriage, and if Colorado wants to legalize marijuana, is it really right that someone on the east coast gets to lord over YOUR state and tell you what laws you can and cannot have in your own jurisdiction?

    So we should change our name. I get it... The United States has a quaint, nostalgic appeal. Like an old wooden cottage nobody lives in anymore, but everyone thinks is so cute. But really, the American Federal Republic suits us much better.

    That was never the intention.
    Should change its name to reflect its corporate donors.
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