View Poll Results: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Republic?

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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    States that tried decentralization didn't end so well historically.

    Unless of course, the US is to be divided into several different countries but I don't see that happening at least for a few decades.
    Oh good, we get to be a unified country for a couple more decades. Thanks for giving us the benefit of the doubt.

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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Do you live in Alabama? Are you excited that you might be able to marry there soon?
    The best part is that in Alabama now you can too.

    'Merica.

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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The best part is that in Alabama now you can too.

    'Merica.
    Well I'm not gay so that doesn't appeal to me. Anyway no more sidetracking.

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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    For example, if Texas wants to sell assault rifles, ban gay marriage, and if Colorado wants to legalize marijuana, is it really right that someone on the east coast gets to lord over YOUR state and tell you what laws you can and cannot have in your own jurisdiction?
    1: I agree about the assault rifles up to a point. No State and the Federal government should be able to ban assault rifles period. That is protected in our Constitution.

    2: No State, nor the Federal Government should be able to ban SSM. Marriage is a Right held by the People, it is not a privilege despite what anti-SSM folks wish to believe. Also it should be noted that the Courts have struck down gay marriage bans. The Courts have been able to strike down laws made by the States that violated peoples Rights even before the civil war.

    3: As far as MJ and Colorado goes...they already did that and the Federal government isn't challenging that afaik.
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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: I agree about the assault rifles up to a point. No State and the Federal government should be able to ban assault rifles period. That is protected in our Constitution.

    2: No State, nor the Federal Government should be able to ban SSM. Marriage is a Right held by the People, it is not a privilege despite what anti-SSM folks wish to believe. Also it should be noted that the Courts have struck down gay marriage bans. The Courts have been able to strike down laws made by the States that violated peoples Rights even before the civil war.

    3: As far as MJ and Colorado goes...they already did that and the Federal government isn't challenging that afaik.
    Lots of appeal to authority here

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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Well I'm not gay so that doesn't appeal to me. Anyway no more sidetracking.
    But the point is that if you wanted to marry another man in Alabama, now you can. You have more net personal freedom than you did last week. As a libertarian you should be celebrating this.

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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    But the point is that if you wanted to marry another man in Alabama, now you can. You have more net personal freedom than you did last week. As a libertarian you should be celebrating this.
    Ummm sure.

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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Lots of appeal to authority here
    Can't debate what I said huh?
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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Can't debate what I said huh?
    Well look, I just think that just because the courts rule on something, that doesn't make it right.

    Just means I live in a jurocracy, that I live under a law that wasn't democratically decided, but rather decided by some activist judge bending the law to his progressive ends.

    It's garbage. The courts are the main culprit in usurping states rights

    Let the people decide. Let legislatures legislate, and keep decisions local. Like it was done originally

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    Re: Should the United States of America change its name to the American Federal Repub

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Oh good, we get to be a unified country for a couple more decades. Thanks for giving us the benefit of the doubt.
    I never said it was likely, it just merely said it was possible. Most people in early 19th century Europe couldn't have predicted that Germany (Deutschland) or Italy (Italia) would be unified within a few decades. Politics, especially geopolitics, are mostly impossible to predict.

    In addition as time goes on, human society has shown a tendency to for lack of a better word, "destabilize" (which could be used in a negative or positive connotation) or accelerate further and further in its change. A very, very rough mathematical sketch would be one where the function is the change or the "displacement", the first derivative is the rate of change or the "velocity", and the second derivative the "acceleration". The acceleration would be a positive constant, the velocity a positive linear line, and the displacement a geometric "sequence".
    This graph would show human progress not just in technology (which is what we principally define as "progress") but also knowledge, numbers, production, basically everything in human civilization. There would be spans in which the graph does not follow exactly its prescribed path (such as the majority of the European Middle Ages) but in the whole, it would be a geometric sequence, until (and if) humanity dies out (if it is a sudden event) or near the end of humanity (if it is a prolonged event).

    I blabbered on about an irrelevant off-topic theory but my point is that the rate of change in human society gets faster and faster. Things we could not have foreseen will happen in a few decades if not years. I was merely pointing out a possibility. Do I think it is likely? No. Do I think it is inevitable in the short run? No. Do I see it as a desirable outcome? No. Yet we cannot dismiss its possibility as only fools dismiss possibilities.

    Addendum: Historically, multicultural and multi-ethnic countries had a long, terrible fate. The Ottoman Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire were all destroyed in the century of nationalism and were rendered useless shadows of their former selves in the first tide of nationalism (the 19th century). Countries that had a large ethnic minority (Prussia, the former Second German Empire, and the Russian Empire with their Polish population, the list goes on and on) also faced difficulty although in cases where they had an overwhelming, strong majority, they did not fall to those nationalistic pressures.

    Some racist, xenophobic idiots will see this as further proof that their own countries must maintain a homogeneous population. However, modern countries differ drastically from their autocratic predecessors in that they are (relatively) free, liberal, democracies. Minorities and different groups rebelled against oppression of a majority, however, when they are treated equally, racial and ethnic tensions drastically decrease.

    That was a rather long rant. My posting (and writing) style is rather like a stream of consciousness which is something I must fix. Someday.
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