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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Say that person in the video is a relative of yours, how would you feel about a news organization posting a video of his death?
    The person in the video isn't a relative of mine, and as I said in my post, I don't look at pictures or videos of these sorts of things anyway.

    Why are you asking me about what the man's family members would feel about this? I don't have any idea.
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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Whether it's ISIS or Born Again Christians, death and brutality will always be a fetish for religious conservatives. It's basically porn for conservatives online. Fox News knows their audience.
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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Do you think showing their barbarism is a positive advertisement?
    Do you think reinforcing ISIS recruitment pitch about modern Crusades is a positive advertisement?
    That's not what he was doing.

    There's something Obama always does.
    Always.
    If he knows what he's saying will be widely heard or read he'll make sure to include something for both sides of an issue, while making the thrust of his remarks clear.
    That way there's something he and his peeps can point to when he's challenged.
    Yes, he'll call it barbarism and then minimize or rationalize it.

    Think "the video" and "act of terror" re Benghazi.
    What, you're mad because he said "act of terror" instead of "terrorism?" Really?
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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I think you're being too harsh on them for this one. This is the logical progression of media sensationalism in America. FOX isn't the first to show violent videos. However, it sets a pretty bad precedent on just what can be shown by media. I'm not for banning these things but I certainly believe that some discretion should be exercised if only to respect the families.
    I'm not for banning either. I do my own censorship. I'm just doing the cyber version of shaking my head and turning my back.
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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    They don't like seeing anything that shows Obama is an idiot and this does
    No, but it shows Fox viewers are idiots, for lapping up this propaganda. Why should one death of one soldier (pilot) trigger world wide drumbeats for more war ? It is complete manipulation of a segment of the population.

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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    The viewer demands to see it
    Where were you, where the viewer demanded to see someone with half their torso blown away? They don't show that on television. Do you live in a pulp fiction fantasy or something ?

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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    We don't need to help ISIS advertise their barbarity.

    What we need to do is kill all of them as soon as possible.
    In order to do that you need to have the stomach for the fight. What we have now is conservatives opposing all things Obama, liberals blaming every discussion on stopping ISIS on republican warmongering, and such a dearth of support from the global community that the president had to come home with his hat in his hand and is left with really the only option as being an air campaign.

    Meanwhile...when a news agency dares to show who those sadistic ****s really are, people trip over themselves rushing to spew their usual hatred over the news agency?

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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    To be fair, I never much cared how sadistic Saddam Hussein or his army were in the first place.

    As a service member, like yourself, a veteran in my case, I believe that wars should be fought for political reasons, and that those reasons should actually directly benefit the hostile nation.

    While I deplore many of the things that the Hussein family and Iraq's Baathist regime did in terms of brutality I don't really believe that stopping or preventing such things are something that the United States should be spending money, and young American lives, on.

    I didn't buy in to OIF because I was interested in saving the Iraqi people from a monster, I signed on because I believed the false, and to some degree artificially manufactured, rhetoric about Iraq being an imminent and potentially existential WMD threat (at least to some of Iraq's neighbors in the region who are also critical to our economy).

    Once we invaded and it became increasingly clear that there was no active WMD program and that the "worst" we were going to find there were old 155mm mustard gas shells left over from the First Persian Gulf War and buried deep in the Arabian Desert since some time in the mid 1980s, or the degraded and disintegrating garbage at Muthanna, I then jumped from being on board to figuring it was time to index the operation and head home.
    If we hadnt gone in (the second time) we would still be laboring under the same assumptions made not just by Bush but also for 8 years by Clinton and damn near every elected democrat for 15 years. And if we are truly being honest...we STILL dont know of the disposition of the missing WMDs all previously cataloged.

    But you are mixing two conflicts. The first Iraqi war was over an invasion of Kuwait and a threat to the worlds economy (via the oil supply at the time). I cited the brutality of the Iraqi military on the Kuwaitis from GW1.

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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    That's not what he was doing.



    What, you're mad because he said "act of terror" instead of "terrorism?" Really?
    Whether intended or not, dredging up the Crusades relative to terrorism and ISIS was something ISIS could use since they've been using the Crusades for their own recruitment purposes.

    No. I'm not mad at anything. It's an observation. He & his entire team stressed that a video inspired the Benghazi attack.
    In his comments at the time he included the phrase "act of terror".
    After a couple of weeks of blaming the video they began saying he blamed terrorism and he even said so in his debate with Romney.
    I assume you caught that at the time.
    It was typical of Obama.
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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I watched the video and other than the obvious horrific way the Jordanian pilot was killed, a couple of things came to mind concerning both the airing of this video by Fox News and the information the Jordanian pilot apparently gave up.

    1. There are some videos a new organization should not show. This was one of them. Why? Because of what may be a hidden intent behind it as addressed in the posts below:

    It is interesting that while Fox News could claim that they aired the video unfiltered and unedited, the lack of editing, i.e., Arabic to English translation (sub-titles), would have helped enlighten and inform the viewing audience as to what the captive and the video's narrator were saying. Instead, all we come away with is both the horror and the disdain of the torturous death act. To that, you miss tons of other information that could have been helpful.
    From what I understand some pundits claim that ISIL was executing the pilot the same way ISIL members were killed when bombs were dropped on them.Hence the pilot being set on fire and then then the rocks or rubble being dumped on him to simulate what happens when someone is bombed.

    2. The Jordanian pilot apparently revealed tons of information to his captors, specifically the types of military fighter jets used, missile capabilities and air bases used. To me as a veteran, this is dangerous! When a POW, name, rank, serial number is all you give...nothing more, anything less. Nonetheless, I thank God that neither I nor anyone I know were in this guy's shoes. Who knows what he was promised if he gave up vital information though. In the end, his death might have been the spark that was needed to convince the Arab World to take up arms against this madness! Sad it had to come to this to get their attention.
    Its easy for anyone who has never been a POW to say that when you are a POW the only thing you give is rank and serial number.Plus not all POW situations are the same. I can't imagine that being a POW of muslim extremists as the same as being a POW of the Vietcong.
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