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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I'm not a Fox News viewer, but I can't think of one "news" organization that doesn't capitalize on tragedy in a sensational fashion in order to drum up revenue.

    If this is Fox disgracing and discrediting itself, and I'm not suggesting that it isn't, then I can't think of a single graceful, creditable news outlet.


    Television "journalism" relies on visuals. If you do not have visuals, you cannot tell the story, if you do not have dramatic visuals, your story will likely be spiked by another that does. Violence, explosions,blood, flames, beauty, nudity, war machines, helicopters and jets taking off or landing are good pictures. A guy talking is not. If I have visual of a half dozen naked models blowing up in a helicopter I will lead every newscast, likely in the world. Visuals of Obama saying he is permanently shutting down the Supreme court will trail if it makes the "new" at all.

    TV news producers, me for some time, do not make these decisions based on their own need for gore, but ratings...what the viewer demands. Why, frankly I gave up the big $ and went back to lowly radio where you can cover anything because all you need is words.

    Any outlet has a lot of power, and most know that. There is seldom publication of this stuff without inner soul searching and sometimes heated debate, often the report knowing he has a career maker will fight too hard and guys like me have to shut them down, or not.

    In the end, the question is answered thus. Who must know this and why? Who benefits if we do not? And who suffers if we do, and how much? Once, my camera got a long shot of a First responder at a murder suicide carrying a blood-soaked 2/3 of an infant body which had been shot with a .357 at close range. Great pictures that made even me squeamish and nauseous. We ran it the day of. Then we had to review that, there had been NO complaints, and we pulled it; it did not pass the test. These things happen with all such cases, it was how the warning idea came into being.

    The complaints here are purely political. The slithering masses still clinging to the messiah don't like it because, gee, suddenly it does not fit the narrative that Islam is America's best friend, it's the Republicans we have to destroy. It displays the fact Obama is losing, ISIS is more emboldened and now his allies are paying the price. They are nervous we will see the depth of the incompetence in waging war by this Peace Prize president, where one war has become five and he says you are winning.

    It isn't the horror they are bitching about, it's the message....he's a screw up and America is losing another war. They have no problem sending us visuals of American bombs taking out 'suspected" terrorist cells in Pakistan nor visuals of night vision snipers taking out non-Islamic sort of Muslim sort of terrorists one by one.

    No, they like seeing that kind of death. They don't like seeing anything that shows Obama is an idiot and this does
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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is the video of ISIS burning the Jordanian pilot to death in a cage.


    WARNING, EXTREMELY GRAPHIC VIDEO: ISIS burns hostage alive| Latest News Videos | Fox News

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    We don't need to help ISIS advertise their barbarity.

    What we need to do is kill all of them as soon as possible.

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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Okay ... soooooo ... showing the barbarity of ISIS is an advertisement for them but a President reinforcing their recruiting pitch is a history lesson.
    Really? You think that's what the president was doing when he called them barbaric?
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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is the video of ISIS burning the Jordanian pilot to death in a cage.

    WARNING, EXTREMELY GRAPHIC VIDEO: ISIS burns hostage alive| Latest News Videos | Fox News

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    Horrid content. Good they posted it.

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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    We don't need to help ISIS advertise their barbarity.

    What we need to do is kill all of them as soon as possible.
    It is important that we can see, what happened.

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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I'm not a Fox News viewer, but I can't think of one "news" organization that doesn't capitalize on tragedy in a sensational fashion in order to drum up revenue.

    If this is Fox disgracing and discrediting itself, and I'm not necessarily suggesting that it isn't, then I can't think of a single graceful, creditable news outlet.
    This is extreme. It's very disrespectful toward the pilot and his family to exploit his grisly death for ratings. Had the CBC or BBC done the same I'd be even more outraged- this is not unexpected from Fox.
    I learned from other sources about that event and didn't need to be shown it. Anyone who needs to see that stuff probably already knows how to type 'ogrish.com' into a Google box. After Fox aired it there were probably jubilant high-fives in the ISIS camp where it happened.
    But this might just be me. I'm one of those old hippies who won't say the name of the guy who shot John Lennon lest we give him the posterity that he said was his motivation.
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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You didnt see even a piece of the atrocities committed by those sadistic ****s. And what that caused was a bunch of people to jump from being on board the war effort when it was politically expedient to the war for oil political rhetoric that followed.
    To be fair, I never much cared how sadistic Saddam Hussein or his army were in the first place.

    As a service member, like yourself, a veteran in my case, I believe that wars should be fought for political reasons, and that those reasons should actually directly benefit the hostile nation.

    While I deplore many of the things that the Hussein family and Iraq's Baathist regime did in terms of brutality I don't really believe that stopping or preventing such things are something that the United States should be spending money, and young American lives, on.

    I didn't buy in to OIF because I was interested in saving the Iraqi people from a monster, I signed on because I believed the false, and to some degree artificially manufactured, rhetoric about Iraq being an imminent and potentially existential WMD threat (at least to some of Iraq's neighbors in the region who are also critical to our economy).

    Once we invaded and it became increasingly clear that there was no active WMD program and that the "worst" we were going to find there were old 155mm mustard gas shells left over from the First Persian Gulf War and buried deep in the Arabian Desert since some time in the mid 1980s, or the degraded and disintegrating garbage at Muthanna, I then jumped from being on board to figuring it was time to index the operation and head home.
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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    It's not journalism, it's sensationalism. Fox News continues to disgrace and discredit itself.
    I think you're being too harsh on them for this one. This is the logical progression of media sensationalism in America. FOX isn't the first to show violent videos. However, it sets a pretty bad precedent on just what can be shown by media. I'm not for banning these things but I certainly believe that some discretion should be exercised if only to respect the families.
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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Really? You think that's what the president was doing when he called them barbaric?
    Do you think showing their barbarism is a positive advertisement?
    Do you think reinforcing ISIS recruitment pitch about modern Crusades is a positive advertisement?

    There's something Obama always does.
    Always.
    If he knows what he's saying will be widely heard or read he'll make sure to include something for both sides of an issue, while making the thrust of his remarks clear.
    That way there's something he and his peeps can point to when he's challenged.
    Yes, he'll call it barbarism and then minimize or rationalize it.

    Think "the video" and "act of terror" re Benghazi.
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    Re: Fox News posts the ISIS propaganda video on their website.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    We don't need to help ISIS advertise their barbarity.

    What we need to do is kill all of them as soon as possible.
    So true SN. I agree.

    And I might add that our so-called civilized nations around the world have done a piss poor job of expediently coming together to confront a common Nemesis or enemy of the "entire world"...and eradicating such a threat ASAP.

    ISIS isn't just a M.E. problem. It's the entire world's problem. All radical groups, no matter if they operate under the name of a specific religion or cause, they have to go. Period.

    All civilized nations should make ISIS the poster child of radicalism. Then make clear the message to all other current or future type groups": "You ain't welcome on the planet earth. The entire world will hunt you down and kill you!"

    Well, the above is my emotional response to the situations at hand with ISIS.

    The reality is that ever since Vietnam - guerrilla warfare has become the MO.

    As you know, Guerrilla Warfare is a type of combat that's fought by a civilian population or other people who aren't part of a typical military unit. Thus guerrilla warriors are attempting to overthrow an existing government or are rebelling against a much larger, organized military.

    A main strategy is that these nasty bastards use civilians as their shields.

    How can the rest of the world get people (communities, towns, etc) who become the shields to these guerrilla organizations - to help the world community to eradicate these extremists? I ask this because a lot of these human shields - in these types of wars - are actually sympathizers of the bad guys.

    It's all a hell of a mess.

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