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What is Modern Feminism about?

What is Modern Feminism


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What do you mean? That the ABPP has a "PC" agenda?

Not overtly... but yes, in an effort to normalize things like transgender they turn a psychological disorder into something normal. Abnormal does not make it wrong or bad, just abnormal. It is a disorder or delusion, either way it is abnormal.

Apples to oranges

Wrong. A delusional abnormal disorder is listed as normal and some hyperactivity and attention span issues is listed as a disorder. It is disrespectful to treat kids like that has having a disorder when men dress up like women with make-up, hormone therapy and breast construction and that is not a disorder. It isn't just disrespectful. It is dishonest bull**** that screams of idiocy. People that buy that crap are brainwashed fools that have been victimized by the pc epidemic that sweeps across this nation.
 
"Feminism", is about drawing votes for the Left wing and nothing else. If feminism had a single ****ing thing to do with the advancement of women, the feminazis would have never stood still for the treatment that Sarah Palin--potentially the first woman VP--received from the Liberals.

No, sir. I am a feminist, and I never stood for the treatment of Palin. Please don't confuse feminists with "feminazis," a tiny but strident minority. And don't forget that it has only been within our lifetimes, that women working outside the home and having careers and earning equal pay for equal work has become acceptable. Dammit.
 
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Wrong. A delusional abnormal disorder is listed as normal and some hyperactivity and attention span issues is listed as a disorder. It is disrespectful to treat kids like that has having a disorder when men dress up like women with make-up, hormone therapy and breast construction and that is not a disorder. It isn't just disrespectful. It is dishonest bull**** that screams of idiocy. People that buy that crap are brainwashed fools that have been victimized by the pc epidemic that sweeps across this nation.

this entire notion of trans "delusions" is false. trans people have existed throughout the history of humanity across multiple cultures

kids with adhd get medicated, maybe put in different classes while trans people face employment and housing discrimination not to mention a huge amount of animosity by society at large. so yes, apples to oranges
 
No, sir. I am a feminist, and I never stood for the treatment of Palin. Dammit.

Why should feminists not be openly hostile towards Palin? Feminists are in favor of bodily autonomy as it pertains to abortion and Palin is not. Her position of authority and influence poses a threat to abortion rights
 
Why should feminists not be openly hostile towards Palin? Feminists are in favor of bodily autonomy as it pertains to abortion and Palin is not. Her position of authority and influence poses a threat to abortion rights

And equal pay. Just because she is female does not make her a champion of the interests of most women.
 
Not overtly... but yes, in an effort to normalize things like transgender they turn a psychological disorder into something normal. Abnormal does not make it wrong or bad, just abnormal. It is a disorder or delusion, either way it is abnormal.



Wrong. A delusional abnormal disorder is listed as normal and some hyperactivity and attention span issues is listed as a disorder. It is disrespectful to treat kids like that has having a disorder when men dress up like women with make-up, hormone therapy and breast construction and that is not a disorder. It isn't just disrespectful. It is dishonest bull**** that screams of idiocy. People that buy that crap are brainwashed fools that have been victimized by the pc epidemic that sweeps across this nation.

People these days can't deal with the way the world actually is, so they need their pc tent of bull**** to protect them.
 
And equal pay. Just because she is female does not make her a champion of the interests of most women.
Why are either sex owed equal pay to that of the other sex? What about my right as an employer to pay people what I see fit? Why are people acting like my rights in this transaction don't exist? I'm serious, why do you ignore my rights?
 
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Why should feminists not be openly hostile towards Palin? Feminists are in favor of bodily autonomy as it pertains to abortion and Palin is not. Her position of authority and influence poses a threat to abortion rights

The point at the time she accepted the VP nomination was that she was attacked within HOURS by the scurrilous rumor that she was not her baby's mother but, rather, his grandmother, and by dubbing her "Caribou Barbie" because she was attractive. This remains a problem for female politicians, who are continually criticized for their looks when men (with the notable exception of Chris Christie) aren't.
 
What about how feminists act like employers have to hire X amount of women? Why do I not have the right to choose if I hire men or women only? Tell me, why do you get to make the terms on which I will agree? Then I dare you to talk about body autonomy again. Because it's obvious to me you don't know what it means.
 
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The point at the time she accepted the VP nomination was that she was attacked within HOURS by the scurrilous rumor that she was not her baby's mother but, rather, his grandmother, and by dubbing her "Caribou Barbie" because she was attractive. This remains a problem for female politicians, who are continually criticized for their looks when men (with the notable exception of Chris Christie) aren't.

there exists a societal propensity towards devaluing and marginalizing women. including women politicians. i know this. men who engage in it are gross. but that doesnt change the fact that she was a threat

having more women politicians isnt going to change that much
 
The point at the time she accepted the VP nomination was that she was attacked within HOURS by the scurrilous rumor that she was not her baby's mother but, rather, his grandmother, and by dubbing her "Caribou Barbie" because she was attractive. This remains a problem for female politicians, who are continually criticized for their looks when men (with the notable exception of Chris Christie) aren't.

And yet the vast majority of criticism leveled at her is from the fact that she is clearly insane, and how she makes up history and doesn't seem to have any idea how American law or government actually works. It is unfair that she was attacked for her age and appearance, but she IS an idiot. The Barbie nickname is because her head seems to be made of plastic, not the rest of her. As for her family issues... the right wing keeps trumpeting their family values. They're bringing that issue into the conversation.

Meanwhile, there is little or no criticism of Jodi Ernst's appearance. She's criticized for what she says.

Don't get me wrong, the appearance of a female politician should not be an issue. But it clearly isn't for the vast majority of feminists, be they male or female. Despite the nonsense that Apdst would have you believe, that hypocritical behavior was extremely rare.

does feminism require a woman to be a champion of anything beyond her own autonomy?

I think it is contrary to feminism to sacrifice the autonomy of others (other women, that is) for one's own. Especially if you are running for public office.
 
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Why should feminists not be openly hostile towards Palin? Feminists are in favor of bodily autonomy as it pertains to abortion and Palin is not. Her position of authority and influence poses a threat to abortion rights

A feminist can't be pro-life?

I disagree. Pregnancy and Abortion is a matter of balancing rights and values - I don't see why the two MUST relate. You don't need to be pro-life in order to be pro-women's rights.

The women who try to insist that in order to be pro-women's rights you MUST support abortion are full of ****, selling lies . . . and irritate the ever loving piss out of me. There must be more to substantiate someone's support of abortion than "because I want to".

Further, I find it preposterous that anyone claiming to be pro women's rights would take issues with any successful female politician as that politician purely on gender-ideology grounds. Females in politics is the epitome of feminism.

Feminism at it's core level = Doing what you feel is right or appropriate without someone holding your gender against you.

I'll take being a caveman over what many men in my generation are. Thanks feminists the men of my generation are pansies and it's your fault.

Hey - I like the rugged, masculine guys . . . don't blame me. Aint my fault.
 
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A feminist can't be pro-life?

I disagree. Pregnancy and Abortion is a matter of balancing rights and values - I don't see why the two MUST related. You don't need to be pro-life in order to be pro-women's rights.

The women who try to insist that in order to be pro-women's rights you MUST support abortion are full of ****, selling lies . . . and irritate the ever loving piss out of me. There must be more to substantiate someone's support of abortion than "because I want to"

a feminist can make the choice to not get abortions. what a feminist shouldnt do is advocate to restrict the ability of other women to get an abortion
 
a feminist can make the choice to not get abortions. what a feminist shouldnt do is advocate to restrict the ability of other women to get an abortion

What anyone shouldn't do is restrict the ability of other women to get an abortion.

However- many feminists do exactly that so clearly it's not a juxtaposition.
 
does feminism require a woman to be a champion of anything beyond her own autonomy?

Free abortions. If women have to pay for abortions it's an unfair burden on women. Yeah unfair, as in, created by nature and fair trade. Oh the humanity of doctors wanting to be paid for their labor. Or oh god, that women actually need money to buy a service. What has the world come to when we ask people to buy their own ****. They work these days, right? Ok, so they have money to pay for the death of their unborn children.
 
No, sir. I am a feminist, and I never stood for the treatment of Palin. Please don't confuse feminists with "feminazis," a tiny but strident minority. And don't forget that it has only been within our lifetimes, that women working outside the home and having careers and earning equal pay for equal work has become acceptable. Dammit.

well, Feminazis sure have given the movement a bloody nose, as far as i'm concerned......they may or may to be a minority, but they sure as hell command center stage all too often..

but i think we need to point out that one need not be a feminist to support equality in gender issues.... nor do i believe feminism dictates one should hold certain positions ( for example, i find pro-life position to be compatible with feminism)

additionally, I think too many men are sitting around dictating what feminists are or are not.....as i said, i'm a man.. by definition, it's not a movement for me and more than any other movement wherein I do not share the necessary attributes.
that may be wrongheaded to some, but i'm of an older generation.. feminists back in the day were not kind to men.... understandably, they were rebelling against the patriarchal societal standards and to many we were the "enemy"

my wife rages at that sort of stuff... it's exactly why she won't call herself a feminist ( even though she agrees on the issues)... she loves men and what they do ( especially her man :)) and she won't be lumped in with heinous feminazi manhaters.
 
a feminist can make the choice to not get abortions. what a feminist shouldnt do is advocate to restrict the ability of other women to get an abortion

Free speech is a real bitch. People advocate having peoples rights removed all the time. Hint: you do it with the equal pay stuff.
 
this entire notion of trans "delusions" is false. trans people have existed throughout the history of humanity across multiple cultures

kids with adhd get medicated, maybe put in different classes while trans people face employment and housing discrimination not to mention a huge amount of animosity by society at large. so yes, apples to oranges

Existing throughout the ages does not mean they are not delusional. Bi-polar and schizophrenics have as well and they are delusional as well as transgendered.

Labelling hyperactive kids as disordered but not transgendered is ok because transgendered face discrimination when they get older? That isn't logical in the slightest. It wreaks of emotive empathy.
 
i agree



who and how?

You're sort of stuck thinking abortion is a right-only issue, aren't you?

A fair number of conservatives/right-leaning individuals have supported abortion throughout the populous and congress. A fair number of liberals/left-leaning individuals have supported pro-life efforts throughout the populous and congress.

Common knowledge, I thought.

People don't always - nor do they have to - adhere fully to any one particular ideology in order to support or oppose something as dynamic as ending pregnancies, etc.
 
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I think it is contrary to feminism to sacrifice the autonomy of others (other women, that is) for one's own. Especially if you are running for public office.

hmmmph.. funny.... I think i have discovered that i'm more of a feminist than you are.
 
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