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Thread: What is Modern Feminism about?

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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And equal pay. Just because she is female does not make her a champion of the interests of most women.
    does feminism require a woman to be a champion of anything beyond her own autonomy?

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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The point at the time she accepted the VP nomination was that she was attacked within HOURS by the scurrilous rumor that she was not her baby's mother but, rather, his grandmother, and by dubbing her "Caribou Barbie" because she was attractive. This remains a problem for female politicians, who are continually criticized for their looks when men (with the notable exception of Chris Christie) aren't.
    And yet the vast majority of criticism leveled at her is from the fact that she is clearly insane, and how she makes up history and doesn't seem to have any idea how American law or government actually works. It is unfair that she was attacked for her age and appearance, but she IS an idiot. The Barbie nickname is because her head seems to be made of plastic, not the rest of her. As for her family issues... the right wing keeps trumpeting their family values. They're bringing that issue into the conversation.

    Meanwhile, there is little or no criticism of Jodi Ernst's appearance. She's criticized for what she says.

    Don't get me wrong, the appearance of a female politician should not be an issue. But it clearly isn't for the vast majority of feminists, be they male or female. Despite the nonsense that Apdst would have you believe, that hypocritical behavior was extremely rare.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    does feminism require a woman to be a champion of anything beyond her own autonomy?
    I think it is contrary to feminism to sacrifice the autonomy of others (other women, that is) for one's own. Especially if you are running for public office.
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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    Why should feminists not be openly hostile towards Palin? Feminists are in favor of bodily autonomy as it pertains to abortion and Palin is not. Her position of authority and influence poses a threat to abortion rights
    A feminist can't be pro-life?

    I disagree. Pregnancy and Abortion is a matter of balancing rights and values - I don't see why the two MUST relate. You don't need to be pro-life in order to be pro-women's rights.

    The women who try to insist that in order to be pro-women's rights you MUST support abortion are full of ****, selling lies . . . and irritate the ever loving piss out of me. There must be more to substantiate someone's support of abortion than "because I want to".

    Further, I find it preposterous that anyone claiming to be pro women's rights would take issues with any successful female politician as that politician purely on gender-ideology grounds. Females in politics is the epitome of feminism.

    Feminism at it's core level = Doing what you feel is right or appropriate without someone holding your gender against you.

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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    A feminist can't be pro-life?

    I disagree. Pregnancy and Abortion is a matter of balancing rights and values - I don't see why the two MUST related. You don't need to be pro-life in order to be pro-women's rights.

    The women who try to insist that in order to be pro-women's rights you MUST support abortion are full of ****, selling lies . . . and irritate the ever loving piss out of me. There must be more to substantiate someone's support of abortion than "because I want to"
    a feminist can make the choice to not get abortions. what a feminist shouldnt do is advocate to restrict the ability of other women to get an abortion
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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    a feminist can make the choice to not get abortions. what a feminist shouldnt do is advocate to restrict the ability of other women to get an abortion
    What anyone shouldn't do is restrict the ability of other women to get an abortion.

    However- many feminists do exactly that so clearly it's not a juxtaposition.
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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    does feminism require a woman to be a champion of anything beyond her own autonomy?
    Free abortions. If women have to pay for abortions it's an unfair burden on women. Yeah unfair, as in, created by nature and fair trade. Oh the humanity of doctors wanting to be paid for their labor. Or oh god, that women actually need money to buy a service. What has the world come to when we ask people to buy their own ****. They work these days, right? Ok, so they have money to pay for the death of their unborn children.

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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    No, sir. I am a feminist, and I never stood for the treatment of Palin. Please don't confuse feminists with "feminazis," a tiny but strident minority. And don't forget that it has only been within our lifetimes, that women working outside the home and having careers and earning equal pay for equal work has become acceptable. Dammit.
    well, Feminazis sure have given the movement a bloody nose, as far as i'm concerned......they may or may to be a minority, but they sure as hell command center stage all too often..

    but i think we need to point out that one need not be a feminist to support equality in gender issues.... nor do i believe feminism dictates one should hold certain positions ( for example, i find pro-life position to be compatible with feminism)

    additionally, I think too many men are sitting around dictating what feminists are or are not.....as i said, i'm a man.. by definition, it's not a movement for me and more than any other movement wherein I do not share the necessary attributes.
    that may be wrongheaded to some, but i'm of an older generation.. feminists back in the day were not kind to men.... understandably, they were rebelling against the patriarchal societal standards and to many we were the "enemy"

    my wife rages at that sort of stuff... it's exactly why she won't call herself a feminist ( even though she agrees on the issues)... she loves men and what they do ( especially her man ) and she won't be lumped in with heinous feminazi manhaters.

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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    a feminist can make the choice to not get abortions. what a feminist shouldnt do is advocate to restrict the ability of other women to get an abortion
    Free speech is a real bitch. People advocate having peoples rights removed all the time. Hint: you do it with the equal pay stuff.

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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    What anyone shouldn't do is restrict the ability of other women to get an abortion.
    i agree

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    However- many feminists do exactly that
    who and how?
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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Quote Originally Posted by instagramsci View Post
    this entire notion of trans "delusions" is false. trans people have existed throughout the history of humanity across multiple cultures

    kids with adhd get medicated, maybe put in different classes while trans people face employment and housing discrimination not to mention a huge amount of animosity by society at large. so yes, apples to oranges
    Existing throughout the ages does not mean they are not delusional. Bi-polar and schizophrenics have as well and they are delusional as well as transgendered.

    Labelling hyperactive kids as disordered but not transgendered is ok because transgendered face discrimination when they get older? That isn't logical in the slightest. It wreaks of emotive empathy.
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