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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    It would be interesting to recognize that mothers being favored in the courts regarding custody and children's issues is based on tradition in the Western world, not feminism.

    And it's worth noting the trend in the courts towards taking father's rights more into consideration regarding those same issues....as they are recognizing the same thing and attempting to rectify things 'despite' feminism and in favor of men. Equality there is recognized goal.
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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    So what does everyone think about Modern Feminism?

    I personally think it is not about about equal rights for women but more a movement to bring down men and make women superior to men in the eyes of the law.

    I don't think modern feminism has any idea what it's about anymore, because it is facing the point in a rights movement that every movement gets confused over: broadening of issues and re-integration of identity.

    I know where I'm currently aiming, as a feminist: women's, men's, and LGBT issues need to reintegrate as a gender conversation, focusing on expectation, communication, and responsibility. It seems most of America isn't ready for that conversation, and the anti-feminists even less so than the feminists.

    But as far as your "female superiority" BS, no, I don't think feminism promotes that. Most of the mainstream third wave is too busy trying to define femininity to even know where they stand relative to men, let alone plan some kind of hostile take-over. As far as I'm concerned, this is just the standard complaining of socially conservative men who are made uncomfortable by having to compete with women and recognize them as intellectual agents.

    And funnily enough, the few areas where women are currently legally superior to men are caused by patriarchy. What, you think feminism came up with the notion that women can't support themselves?

    It didn't use to negatively affect men, because women couldn't initiate a divorce in most circumstances. But now that they can, it's becoming an issue.

    The solution? Feminism. Specifically, the conversation about responsibilities that come with rights. Responsibilities that only intellectually equal people can ever be expected to uphold, and it's feminism that believes women are such people.
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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    It's easy to forget that it has been only within our lifetimes that women having careers and/or forgoing marriage and children has been optional. I looked last night for the episode of the "Mary Tyler Moore Show" during which Mary discovered that her predecessor had earned more than she had and how "Lou Grant" looked at her as if she were crazy and said (paraphrasing here), "Well, of course. He had a wife and family to support."

    So many gains have been achieved that we take for granted little issues such as women no longer necessarily being styled as "et ux" on a mortgage or the active recruiting of women into fields once deemed suitable only for men such as medicine. But I remember in college when I tried to take out a very small loan ($500 in today's money) and my unemployed boyfriend having to co-sign for it.

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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    The idea women gained rights because they work today is silly nonsense. People have the right to trade with those of their choosing on their own terms and who that includes and what they decide to trade in those transactions is not for me or anyone else to say. Cultural acceptance of women working is an entirely valid idea and one I agree with, but I venomously oppose the idea that men or women have the right to tell people what they will trade and who they will trade with. Women or men gaining entry into an industry is not a rights issue, but a cultural issue. Period.
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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't share all the poster's opinions, but I agree with some of what he said. And I don't think that means I am spewing trash, or that I have either a lowly mouth or an empty brain. I also don't think I suffer from antiquated behavior, unless (maybe so!) it's now seen as antiquated for a man to be attracted only to women.
    Well - clearly we disagree.

    Anyone who opposes my rights and privileges as an American citizen and human, to me, all because of my gender and not at all based on my abilities and knowledge, is spewing trash and quite incapable of thought that does not place said self in the center.

    Might as well be engaging the Jim Hadar in a sober conversation.

    I don't mind calling it how I see it. You can't truly talk down to people and expect them not to step up and prove you wrong. I see antiquated gender views to be like racism - something that we'll always have in small bits and pieces throughout the country but for the most part they'll be less and less influential as time goes by.
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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Let's hope so, Auntie. I've never known a person of quality who wanted any other than the same shot at success as everybody else.

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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    One more thing. Rights movements have always been wrongheaded. Rights are simply rights and when one fights for rights they should do so universally. There is no reason for a womans right movement, LBGT movement, a civil rights movement, or even a mens rights movement. Fight for rights universally and forget this nonsense.

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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Feminism is not monlithic. There are lots of wildly differing people who all fit under the 'feminist' label, even if they violently disagree with one another. Some shout louder than others, but that doesn't indicate that they are representative of the whole.

    Just off the top of my head...

    Queer feminism, TERFs/RadFems (Trans Exclusive Radical Feminism), sex-positive feminists, anti-porn feminists, 'cupcake feminists'... and then most of you and me, who are (probably) feminist even if some of use reject the label.

    The general collective link is a goal of equality between genders, which (I think undeniably) does not yet exist. But the range and extent of methods to tackle that problem is huge - from those who think the law is fine as it is and are content to leave things lie, to the RadFems who (ironically?) disagree with the notion of transgenderism because they see it as enforcing gender roles. Personally, I'd probably fall somewhere inbetween the two :p
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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    One more thing. Rights movements have always been wrongheaded. Rights are simply rights and when one fights for rights they should do so universally. There is no reason for a womans right movement, LBGT movement, a civil rights movement, or even a mens rights movement. Fight for rights universally and forget this nonsense.
    Umm no.

    Just because someone supports gender rights [etc] doesn't mean they MUST encompass another issue that's related to things like sexual orientation or even religion and marriage. Someone is permitted to form views that influence one but at the same time don't believe some other element has the same 'rights' [etc].
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    Re: What is Modern Feminism about?

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