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    Re: At Munich Conference, US Hawks Press for Military Escalation Towards Russia

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    News for 2015-02-07 | Common Dreams | Breaking News & Views for the Progressive Community a security conference in Munich on Saturday, U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) vigorously pressed for more western military backing of Ukraine and escalation towards Russia, openly clashing with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and pointing towards a deepening transatlantic rift over strategy.Addressing the conference on Saturday, Merkel declared, "I cannot imagine any situation in which improved equipment for the Ukrainian army leads to President Putin being so impressed that he believes he will lose militarily. I have to put it that bluntly.""I understand the debate but I believe that more weapons will not lead to the progress Ukraine needs," added Merkel, who has pressed for a diplomatic resolution to the crisis.Graham lashed back at the chancellor, accusing her of turning her back on struggling ally Ukraine, as paraphrased by Reuters."At the end of the day, to our European friends, this is not working," said Graham. "You can go to Moscow until you turn blue in the face. Stand up to what is clearly a lie and a danger."Nato's top military commander, US Air Force general Philip Breedlove, also urged the conference to consider military escalation. "I don’t think we should preclude out of hand the possibility of the military option," he said.Merkel's statements, furthermore, were immediately slammed by Senators John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Bob Corker (R-Tenn.).The verbal sparring takes place as the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama falls under increased pressure from U.S. hawks, including those within the GOP-controlled Congress, to step up its military response to the crisis.Pressure is mounting despite evidence of war crimes committed by the Ukrainian military, including use of cluster munitions against civilian populations in Donetsk, as documented by Human Rights Watch."At a security conference in Munich on Saturday, U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) vigorously pressed for more western military backing of Ukraine and escalation towards Russia, openly clashing with German Chancellor Angela Merkel and pointing towards a deepening transatlantic rift over strategy.Addressing the conference on Saturday, Merkel declared, "I cannot imagine any situation in which improved equipment for the Ukrainian army leads to President Putin being so impressed that he believes he will lose militarily. I have to put it that bluntly.""I understand the debate but I believe that more weapons will not lead to the progress Ukraine needs," added Merkel, who has pressed for a diplomatic resolution to the crisis.Graham lashed back at the chancellor, accusing her of turning her back on struggling ally Ukraine, as paraphrased by Reuters."At the end of the day, to our European friends, this is not working," said Graham. "You can go to Moscow until you turn blue in the face. Stand up to what is clearly a lie and a danger."Nato's top military commander, US Air Force general Philip Breedlove, also urged the conference to consider military escalation. "I don’t think we should preclude out of hand the possibility of the military option," he said.Merkel's statements, furthermore, were immediately slammed by Senators John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Bob Corker (R-Tenn.).The verbal sparring takes place as the administration of U.S. President Barack Obama falls under increased pressure from U.S. hawks, including those within the GOP-controlled Congress, to step up its military response to the crisis.Pressure is mounting despite evidence of war crimes committed by the Ukrainian military, including use of cluster munitions against civilian populations in Donetsk, as documented by Human Rights Watch."http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/02/07/munich-conference-us-hawks-press-military-escalation-towards-russia

    Graham, Corker, Breedlove, and McCain are war HAWKS.
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    Does the USA need war for business and employment? Poll Question
    It is no longer the case that war helps our employment and business. We no longer manufacture the steel and components of weapons and such. It comes with a huge price tag that adds to the deficit. It leaves us with untold numbers of wounded and psychologically damaged vets, which is harmful to them and their families, decreases their productivity for the rest of their lives (which affects our economy), and costs a ton of money.

    The Iraq War didn't help our economy. It hurt it.
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    Re: At Munich Conference, US Hawks Press for Military Escalation Towards Russia

    Whatever happened to supporting allies?

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    Re: At Munich Conference, US Hawks Press for Military Escalation Towards Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    It is no longer the case that war helps our employment and business. We no longer manufacture the steel and components of weapons and such. It comes with a huge price tag that adds to the deficit. It leaves us with untold numbers of wounded and psychologically damaged vets, which is harmful to them and their families, decreases their productivity for the rest of their lives (which affects our economy), and costs a ton of money.

    The Iraq War didn't help our economy. It hurt it.
    War never helps the taxpaying citizen. We are the cannon fodder. War does help BAE, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Academis, Raytheon, GE, Westinghouse, Haliburton, all Big energy Corporations (wars run on energy), Banks, etc., or the status quo of the entrenched MIC that does not vote. These are the Corporations that SCOTUS gave permission to buy all the politicians they can afford, because the poor things can'f vote, but it's OK to buy votes. Who bought your Congressperson today?

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    Re: At Munich Conference, US Hawks Press for Military Escalation Towards Russia

    Well, tonight, French President Hollande and German Chancellor Merkel take one last effort to find a peaceful solution together with Ukrainian President Poroshenko and Russian President Putin in Minsk.

    Observers say that if this attempt fails, even Merkel and Hollande wouldn't oppose weapon deliveries to Ukraine anymore.

    This, of course, may just be the excuse Russia needs to openly start a war against Ukraine (instead of just supporting the seperatists). The entire conflict might escalate and it's hard to predict where this would lead to.

    On the other side, just watching Russia win cannot be an option.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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    Re: At Munich Conference, US Hawks Press for Military Escalation Towards Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Whatever happened to supporting allies?
    Are the lives of our "allies" worth more than the lives of our fellow Americans or are the lives of our fellow Americans worth more than the lives of our "allies"?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: At Munich Conference, US Hawks Press for Military Escalation Towards Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are the lives of our "allies" worth more than the lives of our fellow Americans or are the lives of our fellow Americans worth more than the lives of our "allies"?
    They arent suggesting we go to war with Russia. They are suggesting we provide resources to an ally to give them a fighting chance. They didnt say start world war three, they said dont take military options off the table.

    But as for the military defense of allies...yeah...thats what happens when you form an alliance like NATO. You agree to stand alongside people you consider allies. If you dont have the balls to stand behind your allies, then admit it and crawl back into a little ****ing hole and surrender any credibility.

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    Re: At Munich Conference, US Hawks Press for Military Escalation Towards Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    They arent suggesting we go to war with Russia. They are suggesting we provide resources to an ally to give them a fighting chance.
    Which translates into provoking Russia and thus going to war with Russia.

    They didnt say start world war three, they said dont take military options off the table.
    Translation as they were getting the military industrial complex's wiener out of their mouths they said slurp slurp cough cough we want more war.


    But as for the military defense of allies...yeah...thats what happens when you form an alliance like NATO. You agree to stand alongside people you consider allies. If you dont have the balls to stand behind your allies, then admit it and crawl back into a little ****ing hole and surrender any credibility.
    I never agreed to defend these people.I never agreed to butt into the affairs of other countries. I never agreed to the put the lives of those people above the lives of ou own countrymen. Perhaps you should call the assholes who made that agreement.Let them go send themselves and their sons and daughter to go die for the citizens of some other country.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: At Munich Conference, US Hawks Press for Military Escalation Towards Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Which translates into provoking Russia and thus going to war with Russia.



    Translation as they were getting the military industrial complex's wiener out of their mouths they said slurp slurp cough cough we want more war.




    I never agreed to defend these people.I never agreed to butt into the affairs of other countries. I never agreed to the put the lives of those people above the lives of ou own countrymen. Perhaps you should call the assholes who made that agreement.Let them go send themselves and their sons and daughter to go die for the citizens of some other country.
    Ignore your allies, roll over, and be a little bitch for them then. No way that can have long term negative repercussions.

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    Re: At Munich Conference, US Hawks Press for Military Escalation Towards Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ignore your allies, roll over, and be a little bitch for them then. No way that can have long term negative repercussions.
    Verses supporting a country that had a coup and is currently in a civil war?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: At Munich Conference, US Hawks Press for Military Escalation Towards Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Verses supporting a country that had a coup and is currently in a civil war?
    The same kind of "civil war" that Putin engineered in Georgia (Abkhazia/Ossetia) and Moldova (Transdniester). The only thing that changes are the names. Wake up.


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