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    Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    ** Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives :* Information Clearing House - ICH

    Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    America and Russia have two nearly opposite narratives on Ukraine, which is more an indictment of the U.S. news media which feigns objectivity but disseminates what amounts to propaganda. These divergent narratives are driving the world toward a possible nuclear crisis.

    By Robert Parry

    February 07, 2015 "
    ICH" - "Consortium News"- The U.S. government and mainstream media are swaggering toward a possible nuclear confrontation with Russia over Ukraine without any of the seriousness that has informed this sort of decision-making throughout the nuclear age. Instead, Official Washington seems possessed by a self-righteous goofiness that could be the prelude to the end of life on this planet. Nearly across the U.S. political spectrum, there is a pugnacious “group think” which has transformed what should have been a manageable political dispute in Ukraine into some morality play where U.S. politicians and pundits blather on about how the nearly year-old coup regime in Kiev “shares our values” and how America must be prepared to defend this regime militarily.
    Though I’m told that President Barack Obama personally recognizes how foolhardy this attitude is, he has made no significant move to head off the craziness and, indeed, has tolerated provocative actions by his underlings, such as neocon Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland’s scheming with coup plotters to overthrow Ukraine’s elected President Viktor Yanukovych last February.
    Obama also has withheld from the American people intelligence information that undercuts some of the more extreme claims that his administration has made. For instance, I’m told that he has detailed intelligence reporting on both the mysterious sniper attack that preceded the putsch nearly a year ago and the shoot-down of the Malaysia Airlines Flights 17 that deepened the crisis last summer. But he won’t release the findings.
    More broadly over the last year, Obama’s behavior – ranging from his initial neglect of the Ukraine issue, as Nuland’s coup plotting unfolded, to his own participation in the tough talk, such as boasting during his State of the Union address that he had helped put the Russian economy “in tatters” – ranks as one of the most irresponsible performances by a U.S. president.
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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Ukrainians are ready to fight for their freedom from Russia, but it does not has to come all the way to a nuke war.
    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Ukrainians are ready to fight for their freedom from Russia, but it does not has to come all the way to a nuke war.
    No it doesn't. That is why the U.S. should stay out of it. If Ukraine wants to do that, let them do so on their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No it doesn't. That is why the U.S. should stay out of it. If Ukraine wants to do that, let them do so on their own.
    To clarify, the position issued was: US and EU can help Ukraine with other means that do not have to resort to nukes.

    Some help may be necessary!
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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    To clarify, the position issued was: US and EU can help Ukraine with other means that do not have to resort to nukes.

    Some help may be necessary!
    It may be necessary for Ukraine. It is not necessary to the U.S.

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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It may be necessary for Ukraine. It is not necessary to the U.S.
    Ukraine is also necessary for EU.
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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Ukraine is also necessary for EU.
    Let the EU do it then.

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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Let the EU do it then.
    No problem with that. Except, I believe the USA will independently wish to join with us also.
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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    No problem with that. Except, I believe the USA will independently wish to join with us also.
    Why? The article linked is by an investigative reporter, not a quote from a politician, not a release from the Pentagon,
    not an opinion from a war hawk, not a stenographic moment from a talking head, not from the desks of the perception
    management distributors, and is likely exact facts of the Ukrainian situation. I am all in for helping the Ukrainian
    citizens. You don't help anyone with war. Kiev took the war to Donbass. I honestly believe Russia wants to help, but
    will not allow NATO a few hundred miles from Moscow, and neither would I. Kiev seems to be all crooks and liars. The
    average citizen is the biggest loser if war continues and the Kiev regime continues. This war is about business and that
    is why you read about Hunter Biden and business deals. This isn't about helping Ukrainians. Draw a mental parralel as
    you recall the USA helping those Iraqis and Libyans and Syrians, and Hondurans, and Vietnamese.

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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    No problem with that. Except, I believe the USA will independently wish to join with us also.
    I hope not. I don't want my tax money going to waste.

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