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Thread: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    They are talking about the US threatening war in Europe without understanding that the war in Europe is already very real and that it will depend on stopping Putin from grabbing the territory with impunity. If they do not, there is no reason not to take the Baltic States or Poland or Finland.
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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Are there Neo Nazis in the Kiev camp? Yes. Are there despotic communists in the Rebel/Russian camp? Yes. Are they all crooks? Yes. I think we are supporting Ukraine because of what it could be, not what it is, and in response to an aggressive Russia.
    Exactly,

    With help comes greater degrees of influence. A lot better an option than leaving it all up to the crooks whom may win on their own (I still think Ukrainians are pretty tough fighters) and then would not care to hear about other countries opinions and may in turn become a Nazi stronghold, a vacuum potentially waiting to be influenced from a 4th or 5th world party (including future Islamic countries like ISIS since Hitler liked Islamic extremists).
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    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    This war is about Central Banks and economies and natural resources and strategic demographics. The US has to control all the World's banks or face an eventual crash. We've got our toadies, the EU and UK, by the short hairs, so they have to go along. Japan is trapped, so they go along. The US, UK, EU, and Japan represent about 60% of the World's capital and this is just above the balance point where their power will be diminished significantly (50%), We are attempting to crush Russia economically to minimize the Russian alliance with China and India and BRICS Nations. If the US fails, the PetroDollar is out the window, the USA will no longer have Reserve Currency status and that will require that our currency be backed by something other than faith. For example, my ol' buddy, Justin O. Peewillie, is part-time employed as a greeter at WallyWorld, and owes various banks and loan companies and payment committments to account for all of his income for the next 10 years. Justin wants to print his own money to pay his debts, like the US did in 2007-8, because he is strong in the faith, don't ya' know? He has explained that if all his overseas creditors hold his fiat currency as surplus capital and it doesn't come back to the US, then all is well. If it does come back, Justin loses whatever he owns. Pretty simple, just like the Federal Reserve and US Treasury. I've suggested to Justin that he only deal with overseas customers for his money, because it doesn't generate a lot of faith locally. Justin told me he is considering printing a little extra to accommodate the demands of Quantitive Easing and also lower the value of the currency after he gets it shifted overseas. A modicum of manipulation may be required at this point, but Justin assures me that current markets have nothing to do with supply and demand but controlled naked shorts and Exponential quantity positions. There is big profit to be made with currency mythical values and he used Switzerland as an example. And to top it all off, it's not illegal or SNB and BIS would be indicted, don't ya' know. It's a dream world when you can write checks that will never be cashed, like petrodollars, eh?
    Yep. Some actually believe that theory of the all powerful monster and its vast conspiracy.
    Personally I see humans. And they cannot swing that type of thing.

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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I disagree with you somewhat. The Baltic states are a different matter because they are in NATO. As such we are committed to their security and I think that Putin understands that. If he does not and tries that, then the gloves are off. Over and above that, Russia can hardly afford what they are doing in Ukraine what to speak of launching a war in the Baltics or over here in the western hemisphere. I think that although Putin is a concern, you have greatly over exaggerated the potential threat.
    I know there are people that believed that. There are fewer now and the resistance to stationing major Nato units in the Eastern European member countries is crumbling. That is what would have been required in Ukraine before the "Trade" Treaty with the EU was forced through. But without forces in those countries ie the way it was, Russia could repeat its game.

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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    They say they will support Ukraine with all means necessary, like Obama said that all options were on the table to support the Syrian Revolution. We are all beginning to look like idiots to be pulled about by the rings through their noses.

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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I know there are people that believed that. There are fewer now and the resistance to stationing major Nato units in the Eastern European member countries is crumbling. That is what would have been required in Ukraine before the "Trade" Treaty with the EU was forced through. But without forces in those countries ie the way it was, Russia could repeat its game.
    Not so. The Baltic countries, Poland, etc. are in NATO. Ukraine is not. There is a reason for that.

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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    ** Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives :* Information Clearing House - ICH

    Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    America and Russia have two nearly opposite narratives on Ukraine, which is more an indictment of the U.S. news media which feigns objectivity but disseminates what amounts to propaganda. These divergent narratives are driving the world toward a possible nuclear crisis.

    By Robert Parry

    February 07, 2015 "
    ICH" - "Consortium News"- The U.S. government and mainstream media are swaggering toward a possible nuclear confrontation with Russia over Ukraine without any of the seriousness that has informed this sort of decision-making throughout the nuclear age. Instead, Official Washington seems possessed by a self-righteous goofiness that could be the prelude to the end of life on this planet. Nearly across the U.S. political spectrum, there is a pugnacious “group think” which has transformed what should have been a manageable political dispute in Ukraine into some morality play where U.S. politicians and pundits blather on about how the nearly year-old coup regime in Kiev “shares our values” and how America must be prepared to defend this regime militarily.
    Though I’m told that President Barack Obama personally recognizes how foolhardy this attitude is, he has made no significant move to head off the craziness and, indeed, has tolerated provocative actions by his underlings, such as neocon Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland’s scheming with coup plotters to overthrow Ukraine’s elected President Viktor Yanukovych last February.
    Obama also has withheld from the American people intelligence information that undercuts some of the more extreme claims that his administration has made. For instance, I’m told that he has detailed intelligence reporting on both the mysterious sniper attack that preceded the putsch nearly a year ago and the shoot-down of the Malaysia Airlines Flights 17 that deepened the crisis last summer. But he won’t release the findings.
    More broadly over the last year, Obama’s behavior – ranging from his initial neglect of the Ukraine issue, as Nuland’s coup plotting unfolded, to his own participation in the tough talk, such as boasting during his State of the Union address that he had helped put the Russian economy “in tatters” – ranks as one of the most irresponsible performances by a U.S. president.
    ** Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives :* Information Clearing House - ICH


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    This post makes me laugh for so many reasons. But I think it is most summed up in the very first post, when instead of exploring the differences between the two points of view, you immediately go to point the finger at the US. I suppose it's also the US that's responsible for all those Russian planes flying so close to so many sovereign air spaces huh?

    But you know what? How about I offer a compromise? Russia can keep the predominantly Russian half of Ukraine for a mutually acceptable compensation, and Western Ukraine gets to join NATO. That sound fair? Russia gets to *cough* protect native speaking Russians, and Kiev gets the backing of the west. Then in a few years when Russia is again a failed state and can't support Eastern Ukraine, they can rejoin the West just like Germany did.
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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    There will be no nuclear war over Ukraine and the paranoia pitch is the most desperate support of Putin.

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    Re: Nuclear War and Clashing Ukraine Narratives

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleming View Post
    Not so. The Baltic countries, Poland, etc. are in NATO. Ukraine is not. There is a reason for that.
    It takes boots on the ground, where the county is taken over like Russia did Crimea and Eastern Ukraine. Even then, it is not sure that thugs being supplied by an external neighbor could be contained. But the support with armored vehicles, troops and the missiles pouring over the boarder would be easier to countermand.
    As it is, the outbreak of violence would be provoked by a large minority that would be supplied and supported by Russian volunteers. That would be far less likely, if there were tanks and armor breaking weapons right there. As long as you have to ask the Germans to act, you run the risk that they will call for talks till it is too late and Crimea is gone.

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