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    Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Some appear to feel that the U.S. government has the right to single out Islam and say specifically what it can and cannot teach. Should the government be allowed to single out a specific religion in this way?

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    I don't think that it's based in singling out Islam. I think it's more so that radical Islam singled itself out with it's propensity for preaching and promoting violence, from some of the most radical Islamic Imams.

    We know that radical Islamic Imams are preaching radicalism, and in some cases militancy, taking violent action in their cause.

    We know that when Militant Islamic Fundamentalists attack, they cause harm to innocent victims that bear them no ill will.

    When Militant Islamic Fundamentalists attack innocents doesn't that become a public safety issue?

    Does it make sense to reduce the expense pain and suffering by curbing the radical preaching? And while it makes sense, does the constitution allow or support that intervention?

    So yes, an interesting question.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I don't think that it's based in singling out Islam. I think it's more so that radical Islam singled itself out with it's propensity for preaching and promoting violence, from some of the most radical Islamic Imams.
    Yeah but some feel that we should go after Islam specifically and tell Islam specifically what it can and cannot teach. That is wrong. If we feel, that for the sake of security we need to ban certain teachings, then that should be general and apply to the religious and non religious, and the respective organizations as well. We simply cannot be telling specific religions what they can teach.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Some appear to feel that the U.S. government has the right to single out Islam and say specifically what it can and cannot teach. Should the government be allowed to single out a specific religion in this way?
    The only "some" are the voices in your head. Unless you're talking about restricting Islamists from radicalizing people in Mosques located in the US, and calling them to Jihad against the West, the government has never suggested this.

    Name the government officials who have been pushing for this.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The only "some" are the voices in your head. Unless you're talking about restricting Islamists from radicalizing people in Mosques located in the US, and calling them to Jihad against the West, the government has never suggested this.

    Name the government officials who have been pushing for this.
    No the voices are in your head. Where did I say the government is doing it? I said SOME APPEAR to think that governement should tell Islam specifically what it can and cannot teach.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yeah but some feel that we should go after Islam specifically and tell Islam specifically what it can and cannot teach. That is wrong. If we feel, that for the sake of security we need to ban certain teachings, then that should be general and apply to the religious and non religious, and the respective organizations as well. We simply cannot be telling specific religions what they can teach.
    I agree that the government can't dictate the contents of religious teaching, however, when it stills over into a public safety concern what do you do?
    I'm OK, to a certain extent, with the government telling radical Imams that inciting violence isn't permitted, or is highly frowned upon, or at least will be surveilled.

    Agreed, that it has to be a universally applied principal with universally applied response, irrespective of religion or organization. Should also apply to militant anti-government groups as well, as it's the militancy, and not the group, that's the point for the public safety concern.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The only "some" are the voices in your head. Unless you're talking about restricting Islamists from radicalizing people in Mosques located in the US, and calling them to Jihad against the West, the government has never suggested this.

    Name the government officials who have been pushing for this.
    NY PD's program of surveillance of radical Imams in Mosques has been stopped. Now is surveillance the same as banning, might be a question for discussion.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Some appear to feel that the U.S. government has the right to single out Islam and say specifically what it can and cannot teach. Should the government be allowed to single out a specific religion in this way?
    Taking the title question as written, no, the US government should not tell a specific religion what they can teach. However, I think it would be fine for the US government to prohibit anyone, religious or otherwise, from teaching others that they should kill others.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Some appear to feel that the U.S. government has the right to single out Islam and say specifically what it can and cannot teach. Should the government be allowed to single out a specific religion in this way?
    Your premise is wrong. Any religion who's adherents have shown a pattern of violent behavior would attract scrutiny. It's not Islam per say, it's murder and fear spread in the name of Islam. When a murder is committed by a Muslim shouting allahu akbar, should we look at the local catholic parish for the assailant?
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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I agree that the government can't dictate the contents of religious teaching, however, when it stills over into a public safety concern what do you do?
    I'm OK, to a certain extent, with the government telling radical Imams that inciting violence isn't permitted, or is highly frowned upon, or at least will be surveilled.

    Agreed, that it has to be a universally applied principal with universally applied response, irrespective of religion or organization. Should also apply to militant anti-government groups as well, as it's the militancy, and not the group, that's the point for the public safety concern.
    Absolutely, and it can go to SPECIFIC individuals such as ministers, imams, etc. who may be teaching such things to tell them that they cannot do so. However, it cannot single out imams as a group and say it, because then the government is doing so on the basis of their religion, not their behavior. And I think that is the key. We need to base it on BEHAVIOR because that is something that can be empirically observed. When we start getting into the ideological realm of it, then we are on very, very shaky grounds with regards to religion, because religion talks about things that cannot be observed empirically with mundane senses.

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