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Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

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Peter Grimm said:
I believe the U.S. should become officially a Christian nation.
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That's a nice idea, however the problem is that very little is actually known about Jesus, and even if there was, very few people could follow.
 
Peter Grimm said:
No but human nature remains
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No it doesnt, humanities view and acceptance of religions has changed very much. State religion and state churches arent doing to well in many European countries... And in your example you gave the human greed example, why do you think religion somehow makes "human nature" come over the lust for greed? And religion is not a uniter, the nation state is. The nation state trumps religion 10-1.
 
MildSteel said:
You don't think it is relevant?
It appears to me that there are some who actually want the government to demand that Islam change it's ideology.
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 I tried to give an example of that kind of thinking in the U.S. military.
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Read the 1st Amendment to the U.S.Constitution.
 
Peter Grimm said:
Has it?
If the Russians paid me a good sum, I would probably spy for them. I have zero loyalty to this country.
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 That's because I know it's a sham, the constitution is a weak document, and we don't actually live in a democratic or a free society.
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Wow.

That's a mouthful.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I believe the U.S. should become officially a Christian nation.
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Christianity is arguably much stronger and influential in the US than in many countries who officially have a Christian state Church.
 
I don't think the United States as a centralized government is making any official statements towards Islam that says it can not teach something, no matter how bat **** crazy it may be.
 
MildSteel said:
Some appear to feel that the U.S. government has the right to single out Islam and say specifically what it can and cannot teach. Should the government be allowed to single out a specific religion in this way?
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Take a close look at the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
 
MildSteel said:
Some appear to feel that the U.S. government has the right to single out Islam and say specifically what it can and cannot teach. Should the government be allowed to single out a specific religion in this way?
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This was a good post, though the poll could of used an other because that's how I feel. Understand that if Islam were keeping to itself in the Middle East (talking about that vein of it right now), then there wouldn't be an issue. I'm sure there are plenty of objections to be made of all religions, the difference is that their not threatening out way of life.

shrubnose said:
Take a close look at the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
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That's fine for American Citizens but I think there is a bigger issue at play here. Mainly the fact that this religion is encroaching on Western Society and not integrating well, shall we say.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
This was a good post, though the poll could of used an other because that's how I feel. Understand that if Islam were keeping to itself in the Middle East (talking about that vein of it right now), then there wouldn't be an issue. I'm sure there are plenty of objections to be made of all religions, the difference is that their not threatening out way of life.
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Even if Islam was not in the U.S. we have no business targeting a religion on ideological grounds. If we do it anywhere then that sets the precedent to do it here. What we can focus on is behavior. When individuals or a group start teaching and encouraging others to attack us, then they have crossed the line.
 
Can or cannot teach where?
 
MildSteel said:
Even if Islam was not in the U.S. we have no business targeting a religion on ideological grounds. If we do it anywhere then that sets the precedent to do it here. What we can focus on is behavior. When individuals or a group start teaching and encouraging others to attack us, then they have crossed the line.
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I wasn't actually thinking about the US though. See in Europe they have a bit of demographic crisis that is coming towards them. With the combination of the influx of immigrants from places like the Middle East, and a steadily shrinking native population, in a couple of generation we could start to see Middle Eastern Islamic culture as the dominant in Europe. It's similar to the browning of the US, except with Islam thrown in, and a particularly detestable version of it at that. Once you realize what's coming down the road, the decision of whether or not to confront it now becomes a bit more complicated. And this isn't even bothering to mention the acts of violence carried out in it's name.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
I wasn't actually thinking about the US though. See in Europe they have a bit of demographic crisis that is coming towards them. With the combination of the influx of immigrants from places like the Middle East, and a steadily shrinking native population, in a couple of generation we could start to see Middle Eastern Islamic culture as the dominant in Europe. It's similar to the browning of the US, except with Islam thrown in, and a particularly detestable version of it at that. Once you realize what's coming down the road, the decision of whether or not to confront it now becomes a bit more complicated. And this isn't even bothering to mention the acts of violence carried out in it's name.
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While I agree that the issue is rather complicated, my point is that if we start targeting religions on ideological grounds then freedom of religion becomes meaningless.
 
MildSteel said:
While I agree that the issue is rather complicated, my point is that if we start targeting religions on ideological grounds then freedom of religion becomes meaningless.
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We already are though, hell we've been going after it since 9/11. And despite that, Muslims in the US still enjoy all the same protections to a point. The issue comes into play though when religious practices start to violate the law, and that's the problem with Islam today. I mean, I assume you're not okay with slavery or domestic abuse or those killings you've heard about from the news. Those are all clear instances where freedom or religion is interfered with.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
We already are though, hell we've been going after it since 9/11. And despite that, Muslims in the US still enjoy all the same protections to a point. The issue comes into play though when religious practices start to violate the law, and that's the problem with Islam today. I mean, I assume you're not okay with slavery or domestic abuse or those killings you've heard about from the news. Those are all clear instances where freedom or religion is interfered with.
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While I agree that freedom of religion has it's limits, we currently don't target a religion tell it what it can or cannot teach.
 
MildSteel said:
While I agree that freedom of religion has it's limits, we currently don't target a religion tell it what it can or cannot teach.
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Maybe not what it can teach, but certainly what it cannot practice. I don't see a difference between teaching and practices myself.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Maybe not what it can teach, but certainly what it cannot practice. I don't see a difference between teaching and practices myself.
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We don't target a religion and tell it that. We say that about any group and that is the correct way to go about it. Although I see your point, there is a subtle but important difference ideology and it's practical implementation.
 
MildSteel said:
We don't target a religion and tell it that. We say that about any group and that is the correct way to go about it. Although I see your point, there is a subtle but important difference ideology and it's practical implementation.
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And that is?
 
Hamster Buddha said:
We already are though, hell we've been going after it since 9/11. And despite that, Muslims in the US still enjoy all the same protections to a point. The issue comes into play though when religious practices start to violate the law, and that's the problem with Islam today. I mean, I assume you're not okay with slavery or domestic abuse or those killings you've heard about from the news. Those are all clear instances where freedom or religion is interfered with.
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None of the offences you cite are unique to Islam, and they're not part of doctrine either.
 
Manc Skipper said:
None of the offences you cite are unique to Islam, and they're not part of doctrine either.
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Today it is I believe. There may be some wacky Christians somewhere that believe in subjugation of women and treating them as property but I've not heard of it being done as part of religion. Regardless though, if it's being practiced, then it can't be allowed. I mean there are other religions that have to deal with sacrifices that have to work within the laws of the state so this is by no means a direct shot at Islam anyways. Islam though seems to not want to adapt as other religions had at the moment. I mean one instance we see this is with those damn burqas that I find as detestable as someone running around with a dixie flag sticker on their truck. But hell, the way they trumpet that around on TV, you'd think there wasn't horrible treatment of women in the Middle East.
 
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