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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    There is indeed a war of ideas. One idea is that the government should now be able to tell people what they can believe. That idea needs to be shot down with great force.
    This is where we have to decide as a society if we're going to be part of a theocracy that protects religions who choose to disregard the laws of the land, or if we are going to continue to champion human rights and state emphatically that no individual has the right to oppress another. That's what part of being a secular nation is all about.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    This is where we have to decide as a society if we're going to be part of a theocracy that protects religions who choose to disregard the laws of the land, or if we are going to continue to champion human rights and state emphatically that no individual has the right to oppress another. That's what part of being a secular nation is all about.
    I think that once the government gets into the business of deciding what is legitimate religious doctrine then it is a theocracy. I guess we could create a new department called the Department of Religion and a Secretary of Religion who is tasked with deciding what is acceptable religious doctrine and what is not. Of course the Secretary meeting the approval of people like the Koch brothers and the Wall Street gang assures that his decision will reflect bona fide religious principles.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    You do that by targeting the behavior of individuals and groups, not by the government issuing a religious edict that says this specific religion must eradicate a teaching from it's ideology, otherwise the government will destroy the religion. It is totally unnecessary to protect children and is an idea born from the type of self righteous indignation that is displayed by religious fanatics.



    Although that is true, it is simply unnecessary to single out a religion and say that a concept cannot be part of it's ideology. First of all, to do that, the government will have to be in the business of interpreting religious texts, something that it is not qualified to do. Why? Because religious texts can deal with subject matter that is beyond empirical sense perception, and as such cannot be comprehended by mundane people such as all of us, without proper guidance. But even if you don't believe that at all, anybody who has ever thought about it will admit that our capacity to understand things is limited. Since that is the case, we should not try to restrict what people can believe. It has been tried in the past with dismal results that restricted the expansion of knowledge for many generations.



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    Yep, that's just the type of thing that ISIS does. If your religion does not agree with my beliefs then I will attack and destroy it because it is dangerous to mankind. It is a barbaric notion that self righteous fanatics put into practice.
    Again you are using a very superficial comparison. Like saying oxygen is bad because communists breathe oxygen. If a policy is bad its because it is, not because some hated ideology practices it. If Isis does this, then maybe its one of the few things they get right.

    Anyway, my point stands, if a religion is causing harm such as I described then its ok for society to stop them. In the specific examples of christian scientists neglecting their children then yes its perfectly fine to send people to jail for neglecting their children. What they believe in that case is wrong since needless death has occurred.

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