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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sorry, but the young southern men fighting were poor (slaves weren't cheap and wealthy owned them) and weren't thinking about dying for a slave. They had state rights on their minds, autonomy and freedom from what had become an all powerful central government that was now pressing their will at gun point!!! And no doubt a deep seated hatred of it, which in some ways persists to the present.
    You can argue that Monte, but that doesn't change that when the majority of people, especially black people, in this country see the Dixie Flag, they don't think of the slavery and the years of oppression that were carried out under it's banner. Besides, if you really don't believe me that it wasn't about slavery, then you need look no further than the Confederate Constitution which forced every state to sign to allow the heinous institution to exist.

    But back to the topic at hand, if the Hijab or the Burqa was just something isolated to Afghanistan, or that the Arab World was a bastion of equality and women empowerment, then this wouldn't be an issue. But no one can deny the level of oppression that occurs in many of these countries where women are required by laws to wear them.

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Like I said, that is what it is to you. The government has no business whatsoever telling Muslim women what to think about wearing the Hijab.

    Speaking of the Dixie flag, it means something to me, be it means something totally different to some others. And while I want my freedom to view it as I see fit, I want others to have that freedom as well.
    If the west were never going to change then I would agree with you, I'd be fine with allowing the Muslim women to insult every single women forced to wear it, to defame all those and who are oppressed in the ME to wear it. But the problem is that there is a war of ideas that is coming to Europe, much faster than anyone could of predicted even a few years ago. And the west can either choose to stand up for what we believe in, or allow the Muslims to change it all when western Europe is dominated by Muslims who have emigrated from the that black hole.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    If the west were never going to change then I would agree with you, I'd be fine with allowing the Muslim women to insult every single women forced to wear it, to defame all those and who are oppressed in the ME to wear it. But the problem is that there is a war of ideas that is coming to Europe, much faster than anyone could of predicted even a few years ago. And the west can either choose to stand up for what we believe in, or allow the Muslims to change it all when western Europe is dominated by Muslims who have emigrated from the that black hole.
    There is indeed a war of ideas. One idea is that the government should now be able to tell people what they can believe. That idea needs to be shot down with great force.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Some appear to feel that the U.S. government has the right to single out Islam and say specifically what it can and cannot teach. Should the government be allowed to single out a specific religion in this way?
    If a religion is advocating violence, negligence (like prayer versus going to a doctor) (especially in regards to children), or other gross harms, yes that should be looked into.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    If a religion is advocating violence, negligence (like prayer versus going to a doctor) (especially in regards to children), or other gross harms, yes that should be looked into.
    Behavior should be the point of focus. The government cannot tell people what they can believe.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Behavior should be the point of focus. The government cannot tell people what they can believe.
    The line is murky. If people say you can't let you kid die by praying for him instead of getting help, then those folks will very much see their beliefs being called into question.

    Another example is the "revelation" that mormons could no longer be polygamist once it was deemed to not be socially acceptable.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    The line is murky. If people say you can't let you kid die by praying for him instead of getting help, then those folks will very much see their beliefs being called into question.
    It's not murky. You can't let your kids die in such a way, although you can believe that you should.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It's not murky. You can't let your kids die in such a way, although you can believe that you should.
    People tend to take these things personally.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    People tend to take these things personally.
    That is true. In an ideal world people would be free to practice religion without any restraints. But in that idealized world, religion would not be abused as it is by people who think they understand religious principles, but do not.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That is true. In an ideal world people would be free to practice religion without any restraints. But in that idealized world, religion would not be abused as it is by people who think they understand religious principles, but do not.
    That does not address my point that people will see it as an attack on their beliefs.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    That does not address my point that people will see it as an attack on their beliefs.
    I thought I addressed it. You can believe anything you want, but you cannot do anything you want. What did I miss?

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