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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Today it is I believe. There may be some wacky Christians somewhere that believe in subjugation of women and treating them as property but I've not heard of it being done as part of religion. Regardless though, if it's being practiced, then it can't be allowed. I mean there are other religions that have to deal with sacrifices that have to work within the laws of the state so this is by no means a direct shot at Islam anyways. Islam though seems to not want to adapt as other religions had at the moment. I mean one instance we see this is with those damn burqas that I find as detestable as someone running around with a dixie flag sticker on their truck. But hell, the way they trumpet that around on TV, you'd think there wasn't horrible treatment of women in the Middle East.
    The Koran only requires that women (and men) "be modest" in their dress and behaviour. The Burqua is virtually unique to Afghanistan/Pashtun Pakistan. Oddly a group of Israeli women (Haredi) also wear it as a sign of purity. Your outrage is badly focused.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    And that is?
    Ideology is basically a set of principles that attempt to put some aspect of the environment that we experience into a perspective such that it can be understood. Implementation is how that ideology is practically applied to actual behavior.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The Koran only requires that women (and men) "be modest" in their dress and behaviour. The Burqua is virtually unique to Afghanistan/Pashtun Pakistan. Oddly a group of Israeli women (Haredi) also wear it as a sign of purity. Your outrage is badly focused.
    I've seen burqas in one form or another throughout the middle east so don't try this here. Now yes in that area it is more extreme, but regardless, the poor treatment of women is certainly not unique to the Pashtun region. Give me a break...

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Ideology is basically a set of principles that attempt to put some aspect of the environment that we experience into a perspective such that it can be understood. Implementation is how that ideology is practically applied to actual behavior.
    This kind of ties into what Skipper is talking about so I include it here. I'm not arguing what the Koran does or does not say at this point. What I'm focusing on is how there is a large minority of these people in that region that have some nasty opinions that have been used by Islam. I don't think either of you would argue that the poor treatment of women throughout the Middle East isn't being done in the name of Islam, yes?

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I've seen burqas in one form or another throughout the middle east so don't try this here. Now yes in that area it is more extreme, but regardless, the poor treatment of women is certainly not unique to the Pashtun region. Give me a break...



    This kind of ties into what Skipper is talking about so I include it here. I'm not arguing what the Koran does or does not say at this point. What I'm focusing on is how there is a large minority of these people in that region that have some nasty opinions that have been used by Islam. I don't think either of you would argue that the poor treatment of women throughout the Middle East isn't being done in the name of Islam, yes?
    All your responses include a shift of the goalposts, with a tad of arguing things I never said. Bye.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    All your responses include a shift of the goalposts, with a tad of arguing things I never said. Bye.
    I'd be happy to hear you explain, but if you choose not to, I of course don't hold it against you and wish you good day.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    This kind of ties into what Skipper is talking about so I include it here. I'm not arguing what the Koran does or does not say at this point. What I'm focusing on is how there is a large minority of these people in that region that have some nasty opinions that have been used by Islam. I don't think either of you would argue that the poor treatment of women throughout the Middle East isn't being done in the name of Islam, yes?
    So are you saying that as a result of things that are being done in the name of Islam, that the U.S. government should have a policy that attacks Islam on ideological grounds?

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    So are you saying that as a result of things that are being done in the name of Islam, that the U.S. government should have a policy that attacks Islam on ideological grounds?
    I do, because it's moved from merely an existential argument over the nuances and interpretations of texts to being a real and present threat to the West. And we know that movement has widespread support in the ME, otherwise they wouldn't keep electing the radicals and terrorist when they are given the chance to vote.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I do, because it's moved from merely an existential argument over the nuances and interpretations of texts to being a real and present threat to the West. And we know that movement has widespread support in the ME, otherwise they wouldn't keep electing the radicals and terrorist when they are given the chance to vote.
    Don't forget, Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi nor Assad gave any quarters to these pigs.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Don't forget, Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi nor Assad gave any quarters to these pigs.
    If Gaddafi was still in power, we wouldn't have of had Benghazi to be sure, and we certainly wouldn't now have that country where there's effectively no government. And not saying this is you Monte, but he's a perfect example of why all this involvement in the Middle East isn't just about Oil, because Gaddafi had actually started to work with Western Oil companies like BP.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    If Gaddafi was still in power, we wouldn't have of had Benghazi to be sure, and we certainly wouldn't now have that country where there's effectively no government. And not saying this is you Monte, but he's a perfect example of why all this involvement in the Middle East isn't just about Oil, because Gaddafi had actually started to work with Western Oil companies like BP.
    That we would agree on, oil is a factor in the ME, undeniable, but if Libya was about oil, it sure back fired, because Libya produced 1.3 million BPD before our military intervention and last I checked, it was at 300,000!!!!!!!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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