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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Can or cannot teach where?

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Even if Islam was not in the U.S. we have no business targeting a religion on ideological grounds. If we do it anywhere then that sets the precedent to do it here. What we can focus on is behavior. When individuals or a group start teaching and encouraging others to attack us, then they have crossed the line.
    I wasn't actually thinking about the US though. See in Europe they have a bit of demographic crisis that is coming towards them. With the combination of the influx of immigrants from places like the Middle East, and a steadily shrinking native population, in a couple of generation we could start to see Middle Eastern Islamic culture as the dominant in Europe. It's similar to the browning of the US, except with Islam thrown in, and a particularly detestable version of it at that. Once you realize what's coming down the road, the decision of whether or not to confront it now becomes a bit more complicated. And this isn't even bothering to mention the acts of violence carried out in it's name.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    I wasn't actually thinking about the US though. See in Europe they have a bit of demographic crisis that is coming towards them. With the combination of the influx of immigrants from places like the Middle East, and a steadily shrinking native population, in a couple of generation we could start to see Middle Eastern Islamic culture as the dominant in Europe. It's similar to the browning of the US, except with Islam thrown in, and a particularly detestable version of it at that. Once you realize what's coming down the road, the decision of whether or not to confront it now becomes a bit more complicated. And this isn't even bothering to mention the acts of violence carried out in it's name.
    While I agree that the issue is rather complicated, my point is that if we start targeting religions on ideological grounds then freedom of religion becomes meaningless.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    While I agree that the issue is rather complicated, my point is that if we start targeting religions on ideological grounds then freedom of religion becomes meaningless.
    We already are though, hell we've been going after it since 9/11. And despite that, Muslims in the US still enjoy all the same protections to a point. The issue comes into play though when religious practices start to violate the law, and that's the problem with Islam today. I mean, I assume you're not okay with slavery or domestic abuse or those killings you've heard about from the news. Those are all clear instances where freedom or religion is interfered with.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    We already are though, hell we've been going after it since 9/11. And despite that, Muslims in the US still enjoy all the same protections to a point. The issue comes into play though when religious practices start to violate the law, and that's the problem with Islam today. I mean, I assume you're not okay with slavery or domestic abuse or those killings you've heard about from the news. Those are all clear instances where freedom or religion is interfered with.
    While I agree that freedom of religion has it's limits, we currently don't target a religion tell it what it can or cannot teach.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    While I agree that freedom of religion has it's limits, we currently don't target a religion tell it what it can or cannot teach.
    Maybe not what it can teach, but certainly what it cannot practice. I don't see a difference between teaching and practices myself.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Maybe not what it can teach, but certainly what it cannot practice. I don't see a difference between teaching and practices myself.
    We don't target a religion and tell it that. We say that about any group and that is the correct way to go about it. Although I see your point, there is a subtle but important difference ideology and it's practical implementation.

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    We don't target a religion and tell it that. We say that about any group and that is the correct way to go about it. Although I see your point, there is a subtle but important difference ideology and it's practical implementation.
    And that is?

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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    We already are though, hell we've been going after it since 9/11. And despite that, Muslims in the US still enjoy all the same protections to a point. The issue comes into play though when religious practices start to violate the law, and that's the problem with Islam today. I mean, I assume you're not okay with slavery or domestic abuse or those killings you've heard about from the news. Those are all clear instances where freedom or religion is interfered with.
    None of the offences you cite are unique to Islam, and they're not part of doctrine either.
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    Re: Should the U.S. government tell a specific religion what they can teach?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    None of the offences you cite are unique to Islam, and they're not part of doctrine either.
    Today it is I believe. There may be some wacky Christians somewhere that believe in subjugation of women and treating them as property but I've not heard of it being done as part of religion. Regardless though, if it's being practiced, then it can't be allowed. I mean there are other religions that have to deal with sacrifices that have to work within the laws of the state so this is by no means a direct shot at Islam anyways. Islam though seems to not want to adapt as other religions had at the moment. I mean one instance we see this is with those damn burqas that I find as detestable as someone running around with a dixie flag sticker on their truck. But hell, the way they trumpet that around on TV, you'd think there wasn't horrible treatment of women in the Middle East.

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