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Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?


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Depends on who is doing the condemning, I'd say.

If it's a few in the US or EU, that's pretty much useless. ISIS don't care what they think.
I don't think ISIS cares what ANYBODY thinks.
They are a gang of vicious thugs.
Their quest for power isn't motivated by public opinion polls.

But if it's a LOT in the ME...from people willing to put their condemnation to action...which is something we haven't seen all that much of...that would be useful.

It appears that several ME countries have joined the fight.
That fact is useful.
 
Right - all it takes is a seriously firm rebuke, and they will stop immediately.

(chuckle)

Separating them from their religion in a public way is the step to destroying their reason to fight. No motivation, no fighters. You have to demoralize these guys on ways that tehy can;t recover; the coalition will be fighting ISIS all along as well.
 
I think the reason why most Muslims are not vocal about ISIS is because most of them are not affected by Isis's actions or have heard their propaganda.

I agree.
 
I don't think ISIS cares what ANYBODY thinks.
They are a gang of vicious thugs.
Their quest for power isn't motivated by public opinion polls.



It appears that several ME countries have joined the fight.
That fact is useful.

Yes, several HAVE joined the fight and that's a good thing. There could be more, though.
 
ISIS is a terrorist organization, bent on gaining power through intimidation and fear. They may say, "Allah Ackbar" all they want, but they are not doing the will of Allah or any of the other gods men have concocted. They are driven by a desire for power, pure and simple, and use religious belief for their own ends.

There is no "clash of civilizations" between Christianity and Islam. Those wars belong to the middle ages. There is a clash between decent people who simply want to live in peace, and fanatics who want to run the world.

It is a clash of civilization, just between ideas of nationalism, these issues did not exist until after colonization. The colonial powers created most of the issues we have today.
 
You expect that Muslim countries that have not been directly attacked by ISIS to get involved in fighting a war?

Sure...if they want to.

"you pays your money and you takes your choice"
 
Islamic terrorism grows from within Muslim communities, as such it's only natural that the most effective solution to it would not be an external solution but an internal one. Therefore only when Muslim communities in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lebanon, etc. would give a real fight to eradicate the radical elements within these communities will the problem have a chance of going away. As long as radical Imams are preaching for the causes and beliefs of ISIS, al-Qaeda or any other terror organization and are influencing the minds of the young, there are gonna be more recruits waiting to join in to the terror organizations' ranks.

Unfortunately the problem ain't going anywhere in the near future, and it's only going to become bigger and bigger.
 
However much any Muslim does so, it will never be enough. Nobody has a right to demand such condemnation. Can Catholics ever condemn Hitler enough?
 
Islamic terrorism grows from within Muslim communities, as such it's only natural that the most effective solution to it would not be an external solution but an internal one. Therefore only when Muslim communities in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lebanon, etc. would give a real fight to eradicate the radical elements within these communities will the problem have a chance of going away. As long as radical Imams are preaching for the causes and beliefs of ISIS, al-Qaeda or any other terror organization and are influencing the minds of the young, there are gonna be more recruits waiting to join in to the terror organizations' ranks.

Unfortunately the problem ain't going anywhere in the near future, and it's only going to become bigger and bigger.

Until other Muslims finally say "Enough" and put aside tribal loyalties and refuse to harbor terrorists.
 
Condemning is so easy but action speaks louder than words. Take action like what Jordan did.
 
Condemning is so easy but action speaks louder than words. Take action like what Jordan did.

Jordan took action as a state because ISIS threatens it.
If ISIS was another anti-Western-only terror organization, would Jordan even bother condemning it?
From 2.5 months ago:
Jordanian parliament honors Jerusalem terrorists - Israel News, Ynetnews
Guess not.

And really Jordan is not the only one to be blamed for doing that, how many nations, Muslim and non-Muslim, bother condemning terrorism that doesn't place their citizens as their targets?
 
Jordan took action as a state because ISIS threatens it.
If ISIS was another anti-Western-only terror organization, would Jordan even bother condemning it?
From 2.5 months ago:
Jordanian parliament honors Jerusalem terrorists - Israel News, Ynetnews
Guess not.

And really Jordan is not the only one to be blamed for doing that, how many nations, Muslim and non-Muslim, bother condemning terrorism that doesn't place their citizens as their targets?

What action did USA take on Saudi Arabia concerning 9/11?
 
Until other Muslims finally say "Enough" and put aside tribal loyalties and refuse to harbor terrorists.

It isn't merely tribal loyalties, it is much bigger than that.
How many Muslims are promoting radical opinions in the name of Islam?
The willingness to see Shariah law as the formal law of the state - is it not radical?
The willingness to see homosexuals executed or converts from Islam executed - are these not the opinions of a radical?
So communities where such views are in the majority - are they not infested by radicalism? And if they are - isn't the most comfortable zone for a terror organization to grow in; a radicals-infested zone? So sure the majority of them aren't terrorists, they will probably never be terrorists, too - but as long as the majority or even just a very large portion of the people are supportive of radical world views it makes it very easy for the terrorists to operate and recruit.
 
What action did USA take on Saudi Arabia concerning 9/11?

We should have bombed them to Hell as soon as it was clear Al Qaeda received Saudi funding.
 
What action did USA take on Saudi Arabia concerning 9/11?

Saudi Arabia should be opposed for its punishments on homosexuality, women driving, etc. way before it should be opposed for the possible aiding to a single terror attack, as bad and horrible as it was. It all begins and ends with the radical elements of the state and of the society.
 
One concern. No matter what good a Muslim does, will never be enough for many.
 
Muslims have been condemning ISIS since its inception, yet whenever they do, it's suddenly a new event. Many greet the news of Muslim condemnation of ISIS with a critical yawn, or accuse them of being too late. Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough to please you?

Probably not.


Remember Christopher Hitchens? For years he argued that the mainstream Islamic religion really does believe and preach that they are the final religion and final solution and that a caliphate will come and take over the world. Billions of Muslims believe this to be true and why so many think they can kill with impunity. So when Islamic leaders like say...the Saudis condemn certain beliefs in the Koran in the same breath they condemn terrorism then....that would be worth noting.

Imo, the Saudi's are the elephant in the room that no one seems to want to address. They've been supporting and turning a blind eye to terrorism for decades. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. The Saudi's showed up in Paris at the unity rally to fight terrorism and a couple days later they brutally flog and imprison a young blogger for criticizing them. The Saudi's are hypocrites and at the heart of the terrorism problem, imo.
 
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Muslims have been condemning ISIS since its inception, yet whenever they do, it's suddenly a new event. Many greet the news of Muslim condemnation of ISIS with a critical yawn, or accuse them of being too late. Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough to please you?

Verbal condemnation isn't enough. I'm saving my kudos for when they take an active interest in destroying not inly ISIS, but all islamic terrorists.
 
Verbal condemnation isn't enough. I'm saving my kudos for when they take an active interest in destroying not inly ISIS, but all islamic terrorists.

Condemnation alone isn't enough. Destroying ISIS isn't enough. Now 'they' have to actively engage in killing every Islamic extremist on the planet. In other words, you've set the bar so high that no Muslim can ever reach it.
 
One concern. No matter what good a Muslim does, will never be enough for many.

that's unfortunately true... but Muslims aren't special, everyone is a member of some sort of tribe that get **** on from something or another.. even if they didn't "do it".

hell ,I'm a white dude... idiots still throw slavery on our face to this very day, despite none of us owning slaves or even condoning the practice.

everyone finds themselves in this particular boat from time to time.
 
Verbal condemnation isn't enough. I'm saving my kudos for when they take an active interest in destroying not inly ISIS, but all islamic terrorists.

Who do you think is fighting against ISIS?
 
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