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Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?


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Amadeus

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Muslims have been condemning ISIS since its inception, yet whenever they do, it's suddenly a new event. Many greet the news of Muslim condemnation of ISIS with a critical yawn, or accuse them of being too late. Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough to please you?
 
As long as the condemn them with their bullets instead of ours, then yes. Otherwise, no.
 
I think it's just time to accept that no matter what, some westerners will simply never trust, accept or tolerate Muslims.

The line between legitimate suspicion and rampant paranoia is very much thinner than we think.

But that's their problem, not mine.

I stand against radical Islamism and those that would seek to subvert our fundamental freedoms because of their own paranoid bigotry.
 
One condemnation is all it takes.
 
It's religion. It's scripted lunacy.
 
While I think that Muslims can absolutely condemn the radicals enough, I don't think that simple condemnation is enough, they need to back up their words with action and be willing to clean up their own house. Most of them have spent decades looking the other way while the radicals have ruled the roost and it's only relatively recently that they've started to realize how out of control things are. Most of us have known that radical Islam was becoming an increasing problem for more than 30 years. Why didn't they do something about it when it wasn't rolling across the Middle East in tanks, beheading people and flying airplanes into buildings?
 
Muslims have condemned terrorism committed by other Muslims enough for me. In all honesty, I've never needed them to condemn it because, having actually known Muslims, it never crossed my mind that they would feel the same about such terrorism as I, a non-Muslim, feels. Asking them to condemn terrorism would be as peculiar as asking any of the non-Muslim people I know to condemn terrorism.

The people who ask Muslims to condemn terrorism view Muslims as "other" - as "them." Those people are never going to be satisfied with Muslim condemnation because they are committed to their xenophobia. First, they say Muslims need to condemn terrorism. Then, when they are shown such condemnations, they say that Muslims need to act not just speak. Then, when they are shown Muslims' anti-terrorist actions, they say that their actions mean nothing until all terrorism committed by Muslims stops.

It reminds me of people who as why don't Black people talk about "black-on-black crime" in spite of the fact that Black people speak frequently about intra-community crime. Such people live under the self-centered assumption that the things they don't see, don't exist. If they don't see Black people or Muslims condemning certain types of violence or working to end it, then it must not happen. These people are, of course, fools. Unfortunately, many of these fools have power.
 
Muslims have been condemning ISIS since its inception, yet whenever they do, it's suddenly a new event. Many greet the news of Muslim condemnation of ISIS with a critical yawn, or accuse them of being too late. Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough to please you?

I think that for the sake of 'satisfaction', clerics could get together and excommunicate anyone involved with ISIS and make it well known why. If that can be done in the religion, I don't know. That would be a great way of removing religion from their motive.
 
ISIS is a terrorist organization, bent on gaining power through intimidation and fear. They may say, "Allah Ackbar" all they want, but they are not doing the will of Allah or any of the other gods men have concocted. They are driven by a desire for power, pure and simple, and use religious belief for their own ends.

There is no "clash of civilizations" between Christianity and Islam. Those wars belong to the middle ages. There is a clash between decent people who simply want to live in peace, and fanatics who want to run the world.
 
ISIS is a terrorist organization, bent on gaining power through intimidation and fear. They may say, "Allah Ackbar" all they want, but they are not doing the will of Allah or any of the other gods men have concocted. They are driven by a desire for power, pure and simple, and use religious belief for their own ends.

There is no "clash of civilizations" between Christianity and Islam. Those wars belong to the middle ages. There is a clash between decent people who simply want to live in peace, and fanatics who want to run the world.
The problem is, much of islam is still in the middle ages, but you are right, it isn't a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between the civilized and the uncivilized.
 
I don't care about anyone's condemnations... I only care about actions.

sitting back saying " I condemn that!" is rather worthless to me... either do something about it, or accept it.
 
The problem is, much of islam is still in the middle ages, but you are right, it isn't a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between the civilized and the uncivilized.

And in the Islamic religion, there is this concept.

People of the Book - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Islam, the Muslim scripture, the Qur'an, is taken to represent the completion of these scriptures, and to synthesize them as God's true, final, and eternal message to humanity. Because the People of the Book recognize the God of Abraham, Yahweh (Hebrew: יהוה) as the one and only god, as do Muslims, and they practice revealed faiths based on divine ordinances, tolerance and autonomy is accorded to them in societies governed by sharia (Islamic divine law).
 
I don't care about anyone's condemnations... I only care about actions.

sitting back saying " I condemn that!" is rather worthless to me... either do something about it, or accept it.

The Islamic nations are engaged in fighting ISIS. They are backing words with actions.
 
I don't care about anyone's condemnations... I only care about actions.

sitting back saying " I condemn that!" is rather worthless to me... either do something about it, or accept it.

Most people tend to try and live their own lives if events of the outside world do not affect them directly.
 
Most of the peaceful muslims in the west have only one thing in common with the ISIS militants. They worship the same god. Their ideals, their methods, their lives, are completely different.

Funnily enough, this same distinction is shared by Christians in the west. The horrors committed by ISIS are in the name of their God. The Abrahamic one.

So how much longer until we can expect some official apologies from Christians?
 
The sad reality is that no, it will never be enough for the islamophobic fringes. You could show them thousands of condemnations by prominent Muslim, organisations, governments, royals and even not so prominent private individuals and every other hour there would still be someone posting that they don't see Muslims condemning terrorism. The irony of course is that the average islamophobe on this forum doesn't have contact with the Muslim world anyways. It's not as if people who declare their hatred for Muslims behind the anonymity of an internet handle would ever consider associating with Muslims long enough to find out how they feel about terrorism. They just continue to regurgitate the same nonsense over and over again because they honestly need the average Muslim to be an evil boogieman.

I personally believe that it has to do with how boring the lives of these people must be. Imagine for a second a person lives in the middle of nowhere Indiana. They have a boring 9 to 5 that does just enough to pay the bills. They're not former athletes, they're not important members of their communities. However, when they get home and type away on that keyboard, they are exposing the evils and troubles of a world they themselves have never been a part of. That's what the internet allows so many people to do. Expose the realities of things they don't deal with and be part of things without having to actually live through them. Just as some claim to be Charlie Hebdo all the way from their computers in the US, certain people on this forum seem to just know how the average Muslim feels about terrorism.
 
Muslims have been condemning ISIS since its inception, yet whenever they do, it's suddenly a new event. Many greet the news of Muslim condemnation of ISIS with a critical yawn, or accuse them of being too late. Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough to please you?

Depends on who is doing the condemning, I'd say.

If it's a few in the US or EU, that's pretty much useless. ISIS don't care what they think. But if it's a LOT in the ME...from people willing to put their condemnation to action...which is something we haven't seen all that much of...that would be useful.
 
Depends on who is doing the condemning, I'd say.

If it's a few in the US or EU, that's pretty much useless. ISIS don't care what they think. But if it's a LOT in the ME...from people willing to put their condemnation to action...which is something we haven't seen all that much of...that would be useful.

What about the countries of south east Asia that also have large populations of Muslims?
 
What about the countries of south east Asia that also have large populations of Muslims?

Sure...them, too....but we are talking about ISIS here. From what I know, those guys are in the Me.
 
I think that for the sake of 'satisfaction', clerics could get together and excommunicate anyone involved with ISIS and make it well known why. If that can be done in the religion, I don't know. That would be a great way of removing religion from their motive.

Right - all it takes is a seriously firm rebuke, and they will stop immediately.
 
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