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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    It depends on the country the Muslims woman comes from. I've seen Muslim women coming to Canada still wearing the hijab because it is part of their culture, and is what they are used to. It's just clothing, as far as I'm concerned. If they are in Canada, no one is forcing them by law to wear it.

    Also keep in mind that women are forced to cover themselves in Western countries, just to a lesser degree. We don't object because it is the norm. A women coming from a Muslim nation may simply feel more 'clothed' wearing the hijab.
    Yes, when they come to western countries, it's a choice. Back home, they'd better wear it, and not leave home without a male relative. Moreover Allah will get them if they dare to drive a car, work outside the home, or vote.
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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    It depends on the country the Muslims woman comes from. I've seen Muslim women coming to Canada still wearing the hijab because it is part of their culture, and is what they are used to. It's just clothing, as far as I'm concerned. If they are in Canada, no one is forcing them by law to wear it.

    Also keep in mind that women are forced to cover themselves in Western countries, just to a lesser degree. We don't object because it is the norm. A women coming from a Muslim nation may simply feel more 'clothed' wearing the hijab.
    For someone who professes not to care about clothes, you seem to have a lot of empathy for how some Muslim women might feel without their binky er uh veil to hide behind. No doubt some women use the veil to hide behind and since misery loves company they force other women to do it too. Or they just don't like washing their hair...whatever. Women in the ME are forced to dress like nuns because men can't control their 'feelings' and it has nothing to do with the woman's feelings. Sometimes tolerance goes too far and does more damage than good. You're not doing women or humanity for that matter, any favors by ignoring 'why" they are wearing the veil. All the excuses are BS and just reinforce Islamic extremism to point where now they think they own the world and kill anyone even non believers who criticizes their religion with impunity.

    For such a tolerant country, Canada says it promotes free speech but still has blasphemy laws on the books. I wonder if that includes Islam.

    That brings me back to your question. No, I don' think Muslims who adhere to and practice extremist elements of Islam can ever condemn Islamic terrorism enough. It's shameful enough that so many of them think the cartoonists deserved it but that so many westerners and non-Muslims do, too. Those are the real apologists for terrorism.

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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Muslims have been condemning ISIS since its inception, yet whenever they do, it's suddenly a new event. Many greet the news of Muslim condemnation of ISIS with a critical yawn, or accuse them of being too late. Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough to please you?
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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    For someone who professes not to care about clothes, you seem to have a lot of empathy for how some Muslim women might feel without their binky er uh veil to hide behind. No doubt some women use the veil to hide behind and since misery loves company they force other women to do it too. Or they just don't like washing their hair...whatever. Women in the ME are forced to dress like nuns because men can't control their 'feelings' and it has nothing to do with the woman's feelings. Sometimes tolerance goes too far and does more damage than good. You're not doing women or humanity for that matter, any favors by ignoring 'why" they are wearing the veil. All the excuses are BS and just reinforce Islamic extremism to point where now they think they own the world and kill anyone even non believers who criticizes their religion with impunity.

    For such a tolerant country, Canada says it promotes free speech but still has blasphemy laws on the books. I wonder if that includes Islam.

    That brings me back to your question. No, I don' think Muslims who adhere to and practice extremist elements of Islam can ever condemn Islamic terrorism enough. It's shameful enough that so many of them think the cartoonists deserved it but that so many westerners and non-Muslims do, too. Those are the real apologists for terrorism.
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    Yep, we are quite tolerant up here.
    Yet many Muslim condemn extremists on a regular basis and that is not sufficient for you?
    If not, what else can they do?
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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I agree that it's a good thing that Jordan is getting in on the action, though I'm disappointed that it took a horrific killing of one of their citizens to get them going.

    However, as much as their current bombing can be considered a good thing, there is also reason to believe it's really not all that good and that it could be much better...or, at least, the US could do much better if Jordan is incapable.

    Consider:



    As I said, I think it's a good thing that Jordan is now active against ISIS, but I also think their activity is much like the US's activity...too little to be of much use.
    They were doing it before that guy died. He was captured after his plane crashed while flying with American pilots on a bombing run.


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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Many democracies have laws on the books that are unenforceable. Check Sodomy laws in the us- consenting adults-
    12 states still ban sodomy a decade after court ruling
    Yep, we are quite tolerant up here.
    Yet many Muslim condemn extremists on a regular basis and that is not sufficient for you?
    If not, what else can they do?
    As I tried to explain earlier I don't think advocating religious oppression of women while condemning religious violence at the same time is sufficient....in fact, I think it's hypocritical.
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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Many democracies have laws on the books that are unenforceable. Check Sodomy laws in the us- consenting adults-
    12 states still ban sodomy a decade after court ruling
    Yep, we are quite tolerant up here.
    Yet many Muslim condemn extremists on a regular basis and that is not sufficient for you?
    If not, what else can they do?
    I hope you are aware that they cannot simply remove the laws from the books, they have to actually be challenged in the individual states. All of those laws are no longer operable, they are not enforced. They sit in a big book on a shelf and mean absolutely nothing.
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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I hope you are aware that they cannot simply remove the laws from the books, they have to actually be challenged in the individual states. All of those laws are no longer operable, they are not enforced. They sit in a big book on a shelf and mean absolutely nothing.
    Yes I am aware that a law must be repealed by the legislative body that approved them. Reason countries have laws on the books that are out of date. I am sure if you search long enough, hornless carriages & restrictions on use will come up from time to time
    Unfortunately Sodomy have been used after SCOTUS threw them out.
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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Yes I am aware that a law must be repealed by the legislative body that approved them. Reason countries have laws on the books that are out of date. I am sure if you search long enough, hornless carriages & restrictions on use will come up from time to time
    Unfortunately Sodomy have been used after SCOTUS threw them out.
    I'm sure it's been tried, it hasn't been used successfully. There are still states that have laws on the books forbidding atheists from holding office, even though SCOTUS threw out those laws back in the mid-60s. They're welcome to try, they will always lose.
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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sietske22 View Post
    We should have bombed them to Hell as soon as it was clear Al Qaeda received Saudi funding.

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