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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Yet in the American War of Independence, only around 2% of the population actually fought the British.
    But it had widespread public support. The same with WWII. Only a small percentage of people went to fight the war, but the entire nation scrimped and saved to help the war effort. Let's see that happen today.
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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    But it had widespread public support. The same with WWII. Only a small percentage of people went to fight the war, but the entire nation scrimped and saved to help the war effort. Let's see that happen today.
    /facepalm.

    I guess you could say the population that didn't fight condemned the British?

    Why does the preferred reaction of the ME population keep shifting? First it was condemnation, and then it was fighting, now we've discovered how unrealistic it is for an entire population to take up arms, so they have to support the people fighting.
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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Muslims have been condemning ISIS since its inception, yet whenever they do, it's suddenly a new event. Many greet the news of Muslim condemnation of ISIS with a critical yawn, or accuse them of being too late. Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough to please you?
    The crazy part is they don't even need to condemn them but they do. It's very weird and hypocritical what people expect out of others but might not do themselves.
    It's great that many muslims condemn 9/11 and ISIS but it isn't needed
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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Muslims have condemned terrorism committed by other Muslims enough for me. In all honesty, I've never needed them to condemn it because, having actually known Muslims, it never crossed my mind that they would feel the same about such terrorism as I, a non-Muslim, feels. Asking them to condemn terrorism would be as peculiar as asking any of the non-Muslim people I know to condemn terrorism.

    The people who ask Muslims to condemn terrorism view Muslims as "other" - as "them." Those people are never going to be satisfied with Muslim condemnation because they are committed to their xenophobia. First, they say Muslims need to condemn terrorism. Then, when they are shown such condemnations, they say that Muslims need to act not just speak. Then, when they are shown Muslims' anti-terrorist actions, they say that their actions mean nothing until all terrorism committed by Muslims stops.

    It reminds me of people who as why don't Black people talk about "black-on-black crime" in spite of the fact that Black people speak frequently about intra-community crime. Such people live under the self-centered assumption that the things they don't see, don't exist. If they don't see Black people or Muslims condemning certain types of violence or working to end it, then it must not happen. These people are, of course, fools. Unfortunately, many of these fools have power.
    This is a very excellent point and post and you are right.
    It would be very pompous and ignorant to ask that of a muslim just like it would be to ask of a man, christian, black person, gay person to condemn rape, abortion bombings, drug dealing, spreading AIDS etc (all stereotypical bigoted thoughts of a group).

    Those things DO NOT represent the group.

    It's just like you said, I know some muslims and I don't even think of asking them to condemn terrorism because . . . . . . . . they aren't terrorist hahaha
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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    /facepalm.

    I guess you could say the population that didn't fight condemned the British?

    Why does the preferred reaction of the ME population keep shifting? First it was condemnation, and then it was fighting, now we've discovered how unrealistic it is for an entire population to take up arms, so they have to support the people fighting.
    Maybe it shifts for some people, but for me I said early on in this thread that there has to be action...by the citizens of the ME countries as well as the governments. Especially when those very citizens are being executed, slaughtered, caught in cross-fire and just plain blown up.

    Case in point: Our efforts in Iraq were going nowhere...suicide bombers, IED's, etc., were killing people left and right. It wasn't till the people started helping...started locating the terrorists for us...that we were able to make things a whole lot better there.

    There are people...ordinary citizens...who know where ISIS is. Condemning ISIS and then cowering in their huts won't get it done. They need to take action.

    On the other hand, any action they take will be useless unless they have the support of the US, as well as the other ME country's governments.


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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Definitely disagree.

    That's not quite a hijab. Her hair is showing and the fabric is sheer, both of which are considered 'haram.' If she wore that in public in Saudi Arabia or Iran she could be arrested for her lack of modesty. Pakistan doesn't have dress code laws and women are free to wear what the want. But they still risk getting acid thrown in their face by the Taliban if they don't wear a hijab. Pakistan women are very brave.

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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    /facepalm.

    I guess you could say the population that didn't fight condemned the British?

    Why does the preferred reaction of the ME population keep shifting? First it was condemnation, and then it was fighting, now we've discovered how unrealistic it is for an entire population to take up arms, so they have to support the people fighting.
    Because no thread ever stays where it starts? I said that condemnation was not enough. You responded. This is where we are now. I don't care about condemnation, I care about action. This is a problem that needs to be addressed and it cannot be addressed by stern words and finger pointing. This is where we find out which nations are willing to get out there and fight the good fight and which ones will decide that saying tsk-tsk is enough. One gets my respect, one does not.
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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    That's not quite a hijab. Her hair is showing and the fabric is sheer, both of which are considered 'haram.' If she wore that in public in Saudi Arabia or Iran she could be arrested for her lack of modesty.
    I don't care what is acceptable in Saudi Arabia. If a woman wore any of the below garments in public, in Canada, I'd never think of accusing them of extremism.

    https://www.google.ca/search?q=hijab...w=1280&bih=907

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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I don't care what is acceptable in Saudi Arabia. If a woman wore any of the below garments in public, in Canada, I'd never think of accusing them of extremism.

    https://www.google.ca/search?q=hijab...w=1280&bih=907
    I wouldn't accuse them, either but I would definitely think it. Imo, it symbolizes oppression because a lot of women don't have a choice not to wear them. Plus, they're ugly.

    The Quran doesn't mandate that women wear a hijab. They were invented in the 1960s or 70s. So it's basically a choice for women to wear them in western countries. But the thing is, if the hijab is worn for modesty and to avoid attention...then it's doing the exact opposite when worn in western countries. And if their attire is drawing attention then it's haram and negates the reason they wear them in the first place. So what is the point?

    Anyway, I don't see many women wear them in my town....yet.... but when I do they sure stand out like a sore thumb and I can't help but think to myself, I'd hate to see that become the norm.

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    Re: Can Muslims ever condemn ISIS enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Quran doesn't mandate that women wear a hijab. They were invented in the 1960s or 70s. So it's basically a choice for women to wear them in western countries. But the thing is, if the hijab is worn for modesty and to avoid attention...then it's doing the exact opposite when worn in western countries. And if their attire is drawing attention then it's haram and negates the reason they wear them in the first place. So what is the point?
    It depends on the country the Muslims woman comes from. I've seen Muslim women coming to Canada still wearing the hijab because it is part of their culture, and is what they are used to. It's just clothing, as far as I'm concerned. If they are in Canada, no one is forcing them by law to wear it.

    Also keep in mind that women are forced to cover themselves in Western countries, just to a lesser degree. We don't object because it is the norm. A women coming from a Muslim nation may simply feel more 'clothed' wearing the hijab.

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