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    Re: Do you agree with the U.S. general's statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you believe that is the essential lesson? Was it because the merchants were making money or was it that they were cheating the people?

    I searched and came up with a site that describes the location and activities as a place of robbers, a place to conceal loot, a place for thieves. I did not see anything about overturning their tables because they were making a living.

    Matthew 21:13 "It is written," he said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it 'a den of robbers.'"
    Surely sounds like a church to me. Brother, buy us some wastebaskets because
    the collection baskets are too small, in the name of the Lord, don't ya' know?

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    Re: Do you agree with the U.S. general's statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yep. That's just the type of stuff I am talking about. Now I hate religious people. Damn that is so whack that it is beyond whack.

    Like I said in another thread, I was out of my mind to consider voting Republican. What in the hell was I thinking?
    Well, you've certainly confirmed a couple things.

    You've teed up the ball with your poll question and dared someone to take the bait. Why beat around the bush?

    How about this, since you've take offence to my first suggestion.

    Do religious people suck? Yes or No.
    Last edited by ocean515; 02-07-15 at 04:45 PM.

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    Re: Do you agree with the U.S. general's statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Maybe religious people ought to stop doing such idiotic things. Ever think of that one? There would be no reason to point out all of these ridiculous things if the religious didn't constantly say and do such ridiculous things.
    Maybe non-religious people should stop being so prejudiced. Ever think of that one? So the General believes his God is better than the other guys god. Does that give him some special super human powers? Who cares what the General thinks about his god?

    I know, F'n religious freaks. F them all. Mighty tolerant of you.

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    Re: Do you agree with the U.S. general's statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    So you think that the Temple of God should be used for something other than the glorification of God? Is that what Jesus taught?

    Here's an interesting story

    I thought the bold was interesting because it demonstrated the deep humility that Jesus had. He personally didn't think of himself as good, he felt that only God was good.
    Nice story. Is God glorified when those who believe are excellent at their work?

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    Re: Do you agree with the U.S. general's statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, you've certainly confirmed a couple things.

    You've teed up the ball with your poll question and dared someone to take the bait. Why beat around the bush?
    And that suggestion is so whack it is beyond whack. The point was to have a legitimate discussion on the issue, not to dare someone. Like I said this is whack on top of whack.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    How about this, since you've take offence to my first suggestion.

    Do religious people suck? Yes or No.
    I think the suggestion that I would think that is ridiculous. I have said, if not here then elsewhere, that if he wants to think that fine, but he should keep it private. The U.S. government has no business promoting a particular religion NOR condemning one. And people who are representing our government don't have any business publicly promoting one religion over another publicly, especially dressed in uniform. It does not mean that religious people suck. I have made clear references to Jesus here. Why would I think religious people suck? That's what is so whack about the suggestion.

    That said, since you asked for a direct yes or no, the answer is:

    NO I DO NOT THINK RELIGIOUS PEOPLE SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get it?

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    Re: Do you agree with the U.S. general's statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Nice story. Is God glorified when those who believe are excellent at their work?
    It is a great story.

    When those who believe what? Believe in God?

    God is glorified when someone is engaged in activity whose motivation is solely meant to glorify God without any desire for self aggrandizement.

    What the story illustrates is this, actually it was possible for that person to obtain the kingdom of God. All he had to do was do as Jesus told him. The problem is that someone who is in that situation would most likely not do so because of their attachment for mundane things. For example, if someone had 100 billion dollars and had thus grown accustomed to a comfortable lifestyle and let's say they were basically pious like the person is the story. Chances are that if they had to give up their comfortable lifestyle, give all of their money and possessions to the poor, leave their family, and accept a life of hardship were they had very simple clothing, possibly eating little, sleeping wherever they could, and strictly abstaining from sex for the sake of the glorification of God, most likely they simply would not do it. It is possible that someone in such a comfortable situation might, and in fact there have been very rare persons to actually do it, but it is not likely and such a person would be rare. That is why Jesus said although it is difficult, it is possible by the grace of God. When a person is FACTUALLY convinced that he is simply meant to glorify God, he will do anything, no matter what to please God. That is what Abraham did. That is what Jesus did. So the point is that it is possible to do anything if the motivation is PURELY to please God. But the evidence of that would be that such a person is willing to do anything, no matter what to please God, even if it meant giving up their work, their home, their family, their money, their friends, and their prestige. Even if that meant being ridiculed by family and friends. That is the test.

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    Re: Do you agree with the U.S. general's statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    And that suggestion is so whack it is beyond whack. The point was to have a legitimate discussion on the issue, not to dare someone. Like I said this is whack on top of whack.



    I think the suggestion that I would think that is ridiculous. I have said, if not here then elsewhere, that if he wants to think that fine, but he should keep it private. The U.S. government has no business promoting a particular religion NOR condemning one. And people who are representing our government don't have any business publicly promoting one religion over another publicly, especially dressed in uniform. It does not mean that religious people suck. I have made clear references to Jesus here. Why would I think religious people suck? That's what is so whack about the suggestion.

    That said, since you asked for a direct yes or no, the answer is:

    NO I DO NOT THINK RELIGIOUS PEOPLE SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get it?
    No it's not ridiculous. According to your OP, the General made his statement while speaking at religious functions. Why should he keep his religious views private while speaking at religious functions? He wasn't speaking for the US Government at the Pentagon, he wasn't testifying before Congress. Why does his profession preclude him from expressing his religious views?

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    Re: Do you agree with the U.S. general's statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No it's not ridiculous.
    No it is ridiculous because clearly I believe in God, so you cannot say that I think religious people suck.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    According to your OP, the General made his statement while speaking at religious functions. Why should he keep his religious views private while speaking at religious functions? He wasn't speaking for the US Government at the Pentagon, he wasn't testifying before Congress. Why does his profession preclude him from expressing his religious views?
    If he is in a position where he has to officially represent the U.S. government he cannot be at a public event, in uniform, giving the impression that he advocates one religion over another. He cannot be saying that his God is bigger than the God of someone else. First of all it is wrong. The God of Abraham is the God of Muhammad and is quite frankly the God of everyone, INCLUDING ATHEISTS. So it is a ridiculous suggestion.

    If his faith is so strong that he feels the need to do that, he is free to do so. He should simply retire from his government role and he can do that to his hearts content.

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    Re: Do you agree with the U.S. general's statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No it is ridiculous because clearly I believe in God, so you cannot say that I think religious people suck.



    If he is in a position where he has to officially represent the U.S. government he cannot be at a public event, in uniform, giving the impression that he advocates one religion over another. He cannot be saying that his God is bigger than the God of someone else. First of all it is wrong. The God of Abraham is the God of Muhammad and is quite frankly the God of everyone, INCLUDING ATHEISTS. So it is a ridiculous suggestion.

    If his faith is so strong that he feels the need to do that, he is free to do so. He should simply retire from his government role and he can do that to his hearts content.
    Sorry, your need to censor his beliefs doesn't fly. He was speaking privately at religious functions. The fact you would censor his beliefs speaks volumes.

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    Re: Do you agree with the U.S. general's statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Sorry, your need to censor his beliefs doesn't fly. He was speaking privately at religious functions. The fact you would censor his beliefs speaks volumes.
    No it doesn't speak volumes about anything. What speaks volumes is that you appear to think that he cannot effectively promote his religious beliefs by giving up his government position. Were Jesus and his disciples generals?

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