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I don't share personal details with you people.
I do know a lot about this topic but how is my business.
Dehydration has symptoms that can be palliated.
If you have, then you know someone who faces death - it is a unique experience for each person.
Suffering is unique and individual as well. It is not just physical pain - it is emotional as well. It can be unwavering nausea. It can be unrelenting dwelling on what might have been. It can be a feeling of heat or cold that nothing seems to help.
It can be so different. Neither one of us should judge what they are and are not willing to put up with.
Letting a person who is awake and alert dehydrate to death as their recourse to unrelenting suffering?
My gracious - either you are too young and naïve to realize what you are saying
And that relief from pain from another person is enabling, assisting.
I would implore you not to take offense. The hospice workers I've interacted with have been wonderful people (I volunteer with a hospice).
Or perhaps you are too ignorant of the facts if you think that the symptoms of dehydration cannot be palliated or think that this is some alien concept and no one has ever done this before.
With water?:roll:
With so many drugs they cannot wake up enough to realize they are dying of thirst?
In a hospice situation, water is not intentionally withheld - especially if they are asking for it!!!!!Ask yourself why.
Sure. Palliation of symptoms is the same thing as deliberately killing folks. Uh-huh.
I remember you said this earlier. I remember I pointed out that it was :screwy
You know what's :screwy?
Thinking that providing something that enables someone to commit suicide isnt assisting them.
Yes, I do. I identified the source of it quite well actually.
How does one provide an absence of water, Lursa? You know what, I'm afraid you'll actually respond to this completely rhetorical and highly derisive question...
I mean, I get it. I get what you're doing. You're being obnoxious with semantics. It's how you do.
PHYSICIAN ASSISTED SUICIDE refers to deliberately killing a patient, with the physician administering a lethal dose of medication.
You're all like, "Herp a derp, but by giving someone pain medication, aren't you 'assisting' them while they commit suicide?
The correct response to this line of "logic" which completely ignores the concept of what we're talking about in this thread, where a physician is deliberately killing his patient, is as follows:
The problem is, yes, you are comparing all palliative care to deliberately killing your patient, and that remains ****ing insane and would be noxiously offensive to anyone involved in palliative care that has the misfortune to read such slanderous rubbish.
No, Kevorkian didnt go to jail for that. He just provided the means and the person did it themselves.
So refuse treatment, refuse food, and refuse water.
You will die soon enough and no one else will be responsible for that death but you.
Do you have any idea how painful that would be?
People have the right to end their own life. Period.
Yeah. Not very much. With proper palliation, less than not very much.
So if the doctor is going to assist you in your suicide
then how would that be different from a lethal injection? Other than the latter being easier, quicker, and more humane?
Agreed. Totally not what the thread is about, but agreed wholeheartedly.
......uh. It kinda is.
See I'm a libertarian, you may have heard of us
Nope, I only have it set as my lean. :roll:
, and we follow this thing called the non-aggression principle.
Libertarianism was around long before that two-dimensional load of crap.
......uh. It kinda is.
Nope, I only have it set as my lean. :roll:
Libertarianism was around long before that two-dimensional load of crap.
You know what? Let's say, for the sake of argument only, that you've convinced me. Sure thing, providing palliation for dehydration is still "physician assisted suicide," no different than administering a lethal dose of medication yourself.
Okay. The point still stands, you have now convinced me that all palliative care is wrong and should never be provided. You can still kill yourself just fine by refusing fluids. I guess the threshold for your resolve will have to be higher, but no one need kill you by bringing you any medication that helps alleviate any symptom whatsoever.
Kevorkian's murder conviction was for administering a lethal dose of medication himself. He filmed this action; it aired on 60 Minutes. I'm not surprised you don't know the facts of this case, because well, precedent.
He should never have been given parole, and it should not have been a second degree murder conviction given the element of premeditation. Nevertheless, he not only perpetrated homicide, he was a convicted murderer.
The rest of your post is summarily ignored.
Merely palliating discomfort does not fall under the umbrella of "physician assisted suicide."
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