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Thread: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Second definition in your link.
    that isn't from my link. check again.

    Aggression - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


    First definition in your link.

    I used your link against you, sorry.
    No you didn't. That quote isn't from my link. And still yet. The definition that you are quoting has nothing to do with mutual consent in peaceful and painless assisted suicide.

    It still wouldn't work.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    So now, op, you are comparing all palliative healthcare to assisted suicide.
    That would be exactly what it is. And try quoting me so that I know you are addressing me.

    No. Palliative healthcare does not in anyway involve killing a dying patient.
    If palliative care is done to assist someone who is committing suicide. Then YES they are assisting in that suicide. It's that simple.

    Giving someone pain medication they desire but not giving them water they do not desire is a function of essential bioethics - the principle of patient autonomy.
    Giving them the medication to help them kill themselves painlessly is still assisting them in their suicide. They are contributing to that persons choice by helping them make it painless. That is, by definition, assisting a suicide.
    Last edited by Zinthaniel; 02-06-15 at 03:36 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dobsdot00 View Post
    You should be more clear when posting comments.
    I was clear in my comment. Medical treatment takes labor, so when you say you have a right to medical treatment you are actually saying you have a right to someone else's labor.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    You already answered the question. Just take out the word religious from your last post
    I really resent that. I am a person of faith, but I'm not a nut. I don't think that the government should be in the live-or-die business anyway, but this doesn't make me a nut.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Forgive the typo in title - *Should America...*

    Canadians have right to doctor-assisted suicide, Supreme Court rules - The Globe and Mail

    Canada can now be added to the small list of countries that give humans the right to decide when they want to end their lives legally.

    Is this a fundamental human right?

    And should the U.S. (on a national level) and other countries adopt it?
    I won't speak for other countries and peoples and the laws they wish to enact, but I'm glad that our Supreme Court has finally come around to what the vast majority of Canadian people wanted. I wish it would go further and in time it might - perhaps not in time for me, but there's always hope. I'm all for the Soylent Green option, without the final product, of course.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Aggression is the initiation of force.

    Force is sometimes justified in medical / bioethics because the medication / treatment is expected to do more good than harm for the patient.

    A surgeon does not violate primum non noncere just by cutting, though cutting does constitute some harm. This is harm that the patient elects and the professional may ethically provide if it the procedure can be expected to improve the patient's health.

    Intentional lethal force violates primum non noncere. It violates the patient's unalienable human right to life. It is aggression because the patient cannot abdicate that which is unalienable.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Ugh... naked deceit from you is all too typical.

    At no point did I wish suffering on anyone.
    Here, you clearly did so:

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    So refuse treatment, refuse food, and refuse water.

    You will die soon enough and no one else will be responsible for that death but you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    That would be exactly what it is. And try quoting me so that I know you are addressing me.



    If palliative care is done to assist someone who is committing suicide. Then YES they are assisting in that suicide. It's that simple.



    Giving them the medication to help them kill themselves painlessly is still assisting them in their suicide. They are contributing to that persons choice by helping them make it painless. That is, by definition, assisting a suicide.
    Pain medication is not assisting in a suicide.

    This is such ignorance of the work that palliative healthcare professionals do that it buggers belief.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Here, you clearly did so:
    Clearly not.

    I guess you're seeing things that aren't there. Again.

    Smh.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post

    Force is sometimes justified in medical / bioethics because the medication / treatment is expected to do more good than harm for the patient.

    A surgeon does not violate primum non noncere just by cutting, though cutting does constitute some harm. This is harm that the patient elects and the professional may ethically provide if it the procedure can be expected to improve the patient's health.

    Intentional lethal force violates primum non noncere. It violates the patient's unalienable human right to life. It is aggression because the patient cannot abdicate that which is unalienable.
    An individual can choose to end their life. That is their right. The arbitrary notion that one can not do with their life as they please is what is being appealed. You are appealing to the authority of an old established mantra.

    No one is buying it though. If someone is suffering and they want to die , That Is Their UNALIENABLE RIGHT to choose that course of action.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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