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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    No it isn't.

    They sure as hell are not! The Constitution does not give rights. Government does not give rights. Governments are created by we the people to protect our rights.

    Furthermore, the Constitution does not say one word about unalienable rights. The Declaration of Independence does.
    Great, you the people in the United States, not you the people in China.

    And the declaration of independence is solely applicable to the United States, not in other countries.

    And in other countries the government does give those rights because they were appointed to do that by the people. Again, just because it happens like you stated in your post does not mean it cannot/does not happen differently in other countries.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Great, you the people in the United States, not you the people in China.
    Are the people in China humans?

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But unalienable rights in the US are something different than the unalienable rights are in China. Maybe China has no unalienable rights.

    There is no world wide universal inalienable rights. There is something like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but no government is forced to imply they if they do not adopt these rules.
    Exactly my point, which is why I say that rights are issued by government. An inalienable right would have to be granted to everyone world wide. God is not in charge, government's are.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    You have to self-administer in Vermont.
    No you don't. Self administering does not require injection. You simply ingest it.


    Good Question: How Does Doctor-Assisted Suicide Work? CBS Minnesota


    Almost all assisted suicides take place in the home, with at least one health-care worker present. The patient takes one of two kinds of barbiturates. Seconal costs about $125 for a lethal 10 gram dose, which comes in the form of 100 individual caplets that must be broken apart to produce about three tablespoons of powder. Nembutal comes in a more convenient liquid form. It costs more than $1,000 for a dose, though, and insurance almost never covers lethal drugs.


    If the patient is using Seconal, it's either mixed in water to create a bitter drink or stirred into pudding or applesauce to hide the taste. The patient will slip into a coma about five minutes after taking the drug, with death coming within about half an hour.
    Quite different from injection.


    Be clear about what it is you want to debate. Stop moving the goalposts.
    NO goal post was moved. Your dishonesty is glaring though.
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    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    The height of absurdity (and lack of simple human compassion) comes from your assertion that someone dying of a horrible illness should simply starve/thirst themselves to a prolonged, agonizing death, rather than be given a dignified end by a qualified physician.
    I actually get what Jay is saying about palliation of symptoms, but it is quite a nave assumption that all the symptoms of dehydration and starvation can be helped. And worse is that the symptoms come and go and come and go and come and go. That is how it is for some people in general. Does that sound like a peaceful death or a cruel joke?

    But again, most people would not opt for physician assisted suicide or euthanasia. They are totally on board with palliation of symptoms with hospice. Depends on the patient and their own personal preference.

    That being said, in hospice it is pretty common to withhold food and fluids when it is near time to die It is at a point where the patient cannot feel pain or complete comfort has been achieved. But of course, that is not what Jay is talking about. He speaks to a conscious choice of the patient to starve and dehydrate to death while fully awake and alert.

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm a bit curious when I lied, but whatever that's not important. What is important is that by giving them the pill you have put into motion something that will cause them to die. Yes, they will die regardless, but that is by natural causes or one that was not caused by the doctor I hope, but when the doctor puts into motion a quickening of their death they have taken a step with the intent to harm the patient. Causing someone's death is a harm because it is the causing of their body to no longer function.
    There's nothing objective in your post at all about harm or aggression. All you have provided is your subjective opinion of harm and nothing about aggression.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    That was my thought as well. In any event, I obviously don't feel that assisted suicide is a fundamental right, so I have no problem conditioning the exercise of that right in socially beneficial ways. This is a secular condition. If people care that much about what happens to their organs after they die, they can commit suicide on their own.
    Well I agree its not a fundamental right I just wouldn't put that type of condition on it but to each their own.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    No, by definition he is correct. Killing is always harm.

    For someone who complains about other people, you seem to lack grounding in what a lot of very basic terms mean.
    Would you point out the objective part of the definition then, like him you will not be able to.
    Killing is not always harm that is a subjective opinion at best, not objective. Nice try but definitions and what terms mean all go against you two has everybody pointed out.
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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaWindu View Post
    Would you point out the objective part of the definition then
    Well you see there's this guy, he's alive, and then you deliberately inflict physical injury to his body with a gun or a lead pipe or in this case a lethal dose of medication and then his body stops working and he's dead.

    So yeah, you know, the exact definition of the word "harm."

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    Re: Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Well you see there's this guy, he's alive, and then you deliberately inflict physical injury to his body with a gun or a lead pipe or in this case a lethal dose of medication and then his body stops working and he's dead.

    So yeah, you know, the exact definition of the word "harm."
    Try again, it weird you don't even make an honest attempt or use the actual definition of the word.
    Sorry that's not objective harm, that's your subjective opinion of harm which has no value in relation to objective harm. I'll ask you again, using the definition would you point out the objective part of the definition please.

    Here I'll help you just like I did the only other person holding on to this lie in the thread.

    I want to die
    I'm going to kill myself
    A doctor gives me a pill that will make it easier
    I take the pill
    I fall asleep
    I die

    There is no objective harm in this scenario and there is no aggression in this scenario, neither of you have even come close to showing otherwise. At best you two have "feelings" that it causes harm but nothing objective and there's nothing that has been provided at all that there's aggression. But like I told the other guy I love watching the attempts because when people just flat out post lies I find that interesting. Debating things that can be debated is fine by me but when people just ignore definitions and context and facts its' both hilarious and interesting to me.
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